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[Robert12010]

I cant wait for the Red Bull video explaining the new rule changes

"I'm Seb-as-tian-Fet-tel. These changes are going to make the cars more fun to drive! Oh yes! KERS is back, and this time we will be using it unlike our previous rule changes video. Push the button and it will let you overtake. Contrary to what you're seeing in this CGI video, you won't see me pulling off these clean smooth overtakes, I will be crashing into my stupid Ozzie team-mate instead."

[What's Burning?]

Knowing the 107% rule will be in effect... a team will not be allowed to race if their Q1 times are outside 107% of the fastest time in Q1.

Seeing as every slow team went into Q1 with options tires versus the top teams going at Q1 with primes, I don't see this rule being at all of an issue. I'm too lazy to go back and look but I know we did the math early in this season and no a single car would have been outside of the 107% window. Hopefully this will again be a non issue next year.

[vaptin]

So if a car misses out quali (like Alonso in Monaco) they miss out the race? Harsh, and not great for the spectacle.

[MattMK45]

Knowing the 107% rule will be in effect... a team will not be allowed to race if their Q1 times are outside 107% of the fastest time in Q1.

Seeing as every slow team went into Q1 with options tires versus the top teams going at Q1 with primes, I don't see this rule being at all of an issue. I'm too lazy to go back and look but I know we did the math early in this season and no a single car would have been outside of the 107% window. Hopefully this will again be a non issue next year.

I think there were only a few occasions in the whole season where a driver would not of started the race had the 107% rule was in place. These were only caused by mechanical failures as well.

[Fred_C_Dobbs]

The complete 2011 SR and TR are now available at FIA.com.

They've kept the silly 25-pt, 10-place scoring scheme. And the ban on refueling.

There's a new "Alonso" rule: no passing in the pit lane.

A new anti-F-duct rule: "[A]ny car system, device or procedure which uses, or is suspected of using, driver movement as a means of altering the aerodynamic characteristics of the car is prohibited."

And there's two new "Newey" rules. The first prohibits "any component or design which may have, or is suspected of having, any non-linear characteristics," which clearly is aimed at the flexy front wing. The second prohibits all the flexy skid block technology, which made the droopy nose possible.

The stewards have HUGE leeway in punishments they can mete out to drivers, ranging from stop-and-gos or arbitrary time penalties to DQing and excluding them from the next race.

Rather than eliminating the misnamed "safety car," the FIA have created yet more rules concerning driver's behaviour when it is deployed.

The stewards can waive the 107% qualifying rule, which they presumably would do in a case like Alonso's Monaco crash. However, their decision is beyond appeal.

An overtaking car may not be crowded beyond the edge of the track (read: no blocking).

A great number of tweaks to the construction of the survival cell.

Two tethers per wheel.

KERS specs unchanged.

Weight distribution fixed at a minimum of 291kg front and 342kg rear.

Regarding the adjustable rear wing:

TR 3.18.2: The adjustable bodywork may be activated by the driver at any time prior to the start of the race and, for the sole purpose of improving overtaking opportunities during the race, after the driver has completed a minimum of two laps after the race start or following a safety car period.

The driver may only activate the adjustable bodywork in the race when he has been notified via the control electronics (see Article 8.2) that it is enabled. It will only be enabled if the driver is less than one second behind another at any of the pre-determined positions around each circuit. The system will be disabled by the control electronics the first time the driver uses the brakes after he has activated the system.

The FIA may, after consulting all competitors, adjust the above time proximity in order to ensure the stated purpose of the adjustable bodywork is met.

Not sure how effective this new wing will be but it does bode well that they have left themselves wiggle room with the one second.

[texasmr2]

I like the "Alonso" rule because I thought his passing of Massa and crossing the solid white line/safety line, if you will, was idiotic as he almost took both cars out of the race.

[Fred_C_Dobbs]

I like the "Alonso" rule because I thought his passing of Massa and crossing the solid white line/safety line, if you will, was idiotic as he almost took both cars out of the race.

Me, I thought Massa should have found a less trafficked spot for a nap.

[Robert12010]

I like the "Alonso" rule because I thought his passing of Massa and crossing the solid white line/safety line, if you will, was idiotic as he almost took both cars out of the race.

Me, I thought Massa should have found a less trafficked spot for a nap.

[texasmr2]

Massa had the prefered line though and Alonso crossed over the solid white pit entry lines, obvious in the video, but lets not turn this into a driver debate. Cutting or crossing a solid white line is no different in F1 than it is in law enforcement, unless avoiding an accident, it is an infraction. Spin it all you like but it is still an infraction such as the pit lane exit .
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[vaptin]

It's not an infraction, drivers were allowed in 2010 to cross the white lines going into the pits.

[FRAFPDD]

It's not an infraction, drivers were allowed in 2010 to cross the white lines going into the pits.

Not just that but werent we all applauding the stewarding in 2010 for actually letting them race, now we're bringing up old, super old- and even older events for some reason. If they go back to Spa 2008 retardedness or even 2010 monaco schumi/alonso strictness itll be a drag.

[vaptin]

It's not an infraction, drivers were allowed in 2010 to cross the white lines going into the pits.

Not just that but werent we all applauding the stewarding in 2010 for actually letting them race, now we're bringing up old, super old- and even older events for some reason. If they go back to Spa 2008 retardedness or even 2010 monaco schumi/alonso strictness itll be a drag.

Can't blame the stewards for Monaco, it was clearly written in the rules that's all they can do, blame whoever told the marshells to wave green flags

[texasmr2]

It's not an infraction, drivers were allowed in 2010 to cross the white lines going into the pits.

Then I apologize for my ignorance as I thought the two would have had the same rules, my bad.

[trailertrash]

Driver adjustable bodywork
From 2011, adjustable bodywork may be activated by the driver at any time prior to the start of the race and, for the sole purpose of improving overtaking opportunities during the race, after the driver has completed two laps. The driver may only activate the adjustable bodywork in the race when he has been notified via the control electronics that it is enabled. It will only be enabled if the driver is less than one second behind another at any of the pre-determined positions around each circuit. The system will be disabled the first time the driver uses the brakes after the system has been activated. The FIA may, after consulting all the competitors, adjust the time proximity in order to ensure the purpose of the adjustable bodywork is met.


Whot do all that ther meen

[vaptin]

Ted, what can you tell us?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 313790.stm

Moving the flap up allows more air through the rear wing gap, which stalls the main plane and dumps drag, effectively giving the same result as 2010's F-duct. In fact, it is anticipated that the effect will be much greater than the F-duct, and could even be as much or more than the boost delivered by Kers.
The flap will be pushed up by actuators. It remains to be seen how teams make it work and whether it will be electrically or hydraulically operated by the driver via a button on the steering wheel.
Indeed, when you add Kers management systems and the moveable rear wing to the many buttons and switches already in use, you can quickly see that mental agility and capacity will be key requirements for any driver who wants to be successful in 2011.

The driver will be able to move the wing at any time throughout practice and qualifying. This way engineers can select appropriate gear ratios after measuring the car's maximum speed with the wing open. There is no point having a sudden straight line speed boost only to then hit the rev limiter.
But there are very different rules governing use of the moveable rear wing in the race.
Firstly, drivers will only be able to move the wing on one, designated straight. So at Silverstone, for example, it will be the Hangar straight and Barcelona will be the pit straight, but it might not be such a clear choice at other circuits. Charlie Whiting, race director of governing body the FIA, will choose.

Secondly, drivers will only be allowed to use it in a specific zone on the straight. This zone is expected to start a few hundred metres down the straight and end at the braking point for the next corner. This is to allow the cars to be securely established at high speed before taking away downforce. The sudden removal of rear downforce has to be done with great care.
As soon as the driver touches the brake pedal for the corner, the flap snaps shut and the rear wing provides downforce again.
Thirdly, drivers will not be allowed to move their wings in the first two laps of the race, nor during the two laps following a safety car period. This is understandable as everyone will be tightly bunched together.
The fourth and arguably most intriguing rule about moving the wing in the race is that the car behind must be within one second of the car ahead in order to be allowed to activate the wing. The car's electronic control unit (ECU) will be sent timing information to govern when the driver is allowed to move his wing.
Crucially, the driver ahead is not allowed to move his rear wing to defend the overtaking move, unless he too is within one second of another car in front.

This will inevitably change race strategies. Championship-challenging teams will be less concerned about getting held up by midfield cars, as Ferrari were in Abu Dhabi, because as long as they can close to within a second, they will be able to overtake fairly easily. This will allow them a little more freedom in when to pit.
And even between the likes of Red Bull, Ferrari and McLaren, these new rules will have a huge effect because for the first time, the driver running behind will have an advantage, and will be able to use that to potentially win a race.
Take Singapore 2010 as an example. Vettel had the fastest car but finished second to Alonso because Ferrari covered Red Bull's pit stop and were always ahead on the road.
With a moveable rear wing, if Vettel could have stayed within a second of Alonso, he could have waited until the last lap before activating his moveable rear wing and passing the Ferrari.

How it works in practice remains to be seen.