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[nish2280]

So many of us complain that there is not enough overtaking in Formula 1 and i think we all have our own ideas on what should be done to allow more overtaking.
This thread will allow us to collate all these ideas and discuss them all in one place.

I would like to start by suggesting that the size or efficiency of brakes should be reduced to allow greater breaking distances to exists as these would allow drivers more time to pull of an overtake.

Enjoy

[LifeW12]

Just get 24 Kobyashi's racing together

I beleive the real issue is the circuits and that the slow corners spread the field out too much, which is why there was no overtaking at Abu Dhabi and Valencia. There needs to be more emphasis on ensuring circuits can actually produce overtaking before they start the building works. Modyifying the cars is a more expensive process and can make them harder to overtake as the engineers find ways to recover lost downforce (double diffusers).

[vaptin]

I think there's a clear difference in the tracks that allow overtaking and those that just don't.

[scotty]

- Limit wing angles to Monza levels (and get rid of the adjustable wings in the process)
- Change the tyre rules to get rid of this STUPID double compound rule, and give the drivers very soft tyres to bring back 3 and 4 stop strategies
- Ban fuel mixture and diff controls
- Redesigning of some circuits to make them far more challenging, with undulations, off camber corners and higher kerbs as some examples
- More powerful engines (might as well just go back to V10's)

[LifeW12]

- Ban fuel mixture and diff controls
- More powerful engines (might as well just go back to V10's)

the engines one should be looked at because the torque on the V8's is so low that they can't really out accelerate quickly enough out of slow corners to set up a pass

And adjustable diffs and fuel certainly would work and also limiting the fuel tank size to 180 L would mean the drivers have to save fuel but only with their feet . It might not create much passes in itself but the ends of races like Singapore or long wet races would really be nice

[F1FanUSA]

Read my sig!

[spankyham]

The real problem is that cars are being forced to be exactly the same. There are far too many rules. Every rule that is added, albeit with the best intentions, ends up make cars more and more alike.

You want to see cars pass each other on the track without needing one of them to make a mistake, well, fundamental to that is that one has to be significantly faster than the other for a long enough distance to get past.

There is enough controlled-format racing, lets not try and add F1 to that clan.

Solution is simple, instead of thinking about rules to add, start taking rules away. That will also give the smaller teams a better chance of innovating.

What we want is get rid of all the construction rules we can and get back to the gas-guzzling, sexy rockets-on-wheels. I doubt even Tilke could bugger up them racing.

[Hansy]

Ban Bahrain, Spain, Turkey, Hungary, Singapore, Abu Dhabi and restore Hockenheim.

There, more overtaking. You're welcome.

[7UpJordan]

1. Re-widen cars to pre-late-90's spec.
2. Smaller front wings.
3. Bulkier rear wing (means more stability at the least, and a bigger hole in the air punched).
4. Fatter rear slicks (more rear grip).
5. No diffusers WHATSOEVER.
6. No sculpted sidepods - must be rectangular.
7. Noses must be low - it will also prevent cars from launching so much when they collide like Liuzzi's car did at Abu Dhabi.
8. No appendages on the front wing (I thought they were supposed to be plain and clean anyway!).

[Denthúl]

- Limit wing angles to Monza levels (and get rid of the adjustable wings in the process)
- Change the tyre rules to get rid of this STUPID double compound rule, and give the drivers very soft tyres to bring back 3 and 4 stop strategies
- Ban fuel mixture and diff controls
- Redesigning of some circuits to make them far more challenging, with undulations, off camber corners and higher kerbs as some examples
- More powerful engines (might as well just go back to V10's)

Pretty much. I'd take V10s back purely for the sound, though, so it's not like my opinion is necessarily one to listen to!

I also think multiple tyre manufacturers and wider cars would help the cause somewhat, as might the return of ground effects and the like. Looser technical regulations are what the sport really needs though. The more room for innovation, the more chances there are of teams being able to overhaul one another throughout the seasons.

[7UpJordan]

- Change the tyre rules to get rid of this STUPID double compound rule, and give the drivers very soft tyres to bring back 3 and 4 stop strategies

Also get rid of mandatory stops, and let those who are REALLY daring try and go the whole distance on a single set of tyre (cue. Jensonb saying Button would win because he can make the tyres last until the end of time ).

The whiny 2.4L V8's are finally going, so it'll be interesting to see what the Turbo's for 2013 produce, but I am all for the return of the Turbo era.

[Hammer278]

1. Re-widen cars to pre-late-90's spec.
2. Smaller front wings.
3. Bulkier rear wing (means more stability at the least, and a bigger hole in the air punched).
4. Fatter rear slicks (more rear grip).
5. No diffusers WHATSOEVER.
6. No sculpted sidepods - must be rectangular.
7. Noses must be low - it will also prevent cars from launching so much when they collide like Liuzzi's car did at Abu Dhabi.
8. No appendages on the front wing (I thought they were supposed to be plain and clean anyway!).

Err, this description looks like the car in your sig.

In other words, take F1 back into the past eh? Sadly, it seems innovation and technology is the real overtaking 'killer' here. More efficient cars mean less efficient racing.

[madbrad]

It's supposed to be difficult to pass. It's real this way.

[mafiyo]

Circuit lay out is the main reason for more/less overtaking. By upgrade/downgrade car specs, then all car will still be on level position and only more experienced/banzai kinda-like driver who is willing to perform an overtaking.

[scotty]

Circuit lay out is the main reason for more/less overtaking. By upgrade/downgrade car specs, then all car will still be on level position and only more experienced/banzai kinda-like driver who is willing to perform an overtaking.

It's only part of the reason. The fact that most of the cars are so evenly matched is far more of a factor i think, relative to the fact that it was 'easier' to overtake in the past. I mean, the top 10 are usually only a couple of tenths apart in pure lap time, which in reality is absolutely feck all.

This is why i made the suggestions i did, to make the cars harder to drive on the limit (more mistakes, even tiny ones) and to promote situations where cars fighting directly on track can be on a different pace (in this instance due to tyre wear, hence my suggestion for very soft tyres).