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By F1FanUSA
#227018
And no I didn’t think this up myself… They talked about it during commentary on SPEED TV... But I kind of agreed that the new teams add no value. Lotus, HRT, Virgin… Instead of those teams why not just have the top 6 teams have 4 drivers?

Who is sitting around rooting for Virgin?

Of course this brings up the age old question… which is a bigger factor… driver or car? You guys tell me… I’m a Newb... What if Vettel was in a Lotus and Kovalainen was in a Red Bull this season..? How would that have gone?
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By Denthúl
#227037
And no I didn’t think this up myself… They talked about it during commentary on SPEED TV... But I kind of agreed that the new teams add no value. Lotus, HRT, Virgin… Instead of those teams why not just have the top 6 teams have 4 drivers?

Who is sitting around rooting for Virgin?

Of course this brings up the age old question… which is a bigger factor… driver or car? You guys tell me… I’m a Newb... What if Vettel was in a Lotus and Kovalainen was in a Red Bull this season..? How would that have gone?


Webber would have won the championship, Kovalainen would have finished in the top three and Vettel would have finished where Kovalainen did. At least, close to that statement.

The new teams do add value. Lotus have come in with exactly the right spirit, passion and desire for success. They've shown dedication, a love for racing and an attitude that is nice to see in teams. They enjoy what they're doing, they're hungry for glory and success and they've put together a strong technical team with which to achieve their goals. Yes, they were slow this year, but at best they had a year to design their cars and Lotus only had, what, seven months or so? So to be only four to six seconds off the pace, considering the ban on testing, the low budgets (remember, those teams lodged entries under the assumption that the budget cap would actually be in place - blame Mad Max for that) and the lack of previous experience as outfits.

Yes, Virgin might just appear to be Branson's latest toy, but they're a solid race team who have had success in junior categories and have made the step up to F1. They took a different approach to designing and developing their car to the other teams and shunned wind tunnels in favour of a CFD-only design. Yes, designing a car with a fuel tank that was too small was, you might say, an amateur error but it was the result of a change in regulations that took place after the car had been designed. Considering their pace was quite close to the Lotus car, sometimes better, and usually superior to the Hispania, you could say that this approach was a big success. Again, they were off the pace, but for a first-year team they didn't do bad at all.

You may have a point with Hispania, but they've had their own major problems and if you take those in to account, they've done remarkably well. The only problem is that they seem to have no car for next year and no ability to design and build one...
#227051
And no I didn’t think this up myself… They talked about it during commentary on SPEED TV... But I kind of agreed that the new teams add no value. Lotus, HRT, Virgin… Instead of those teams why not just have the top 6 teams have 4 drivers?

Who is sitting around rooting for Virgin?

Of course this brings up the age old question… which is a bigger factor… driver or car? You guys tell me… I’m a Newb... What if Vettel was in a Lotus and Kovalainen was in a Red Bull this season..? How would that have gone?


Webber would have won the championship, Kovalainen would have finished in the top three and Vettel would have finished where Kovalainen did. At least, close to that statement.

The new teams do add value. Lotus have come in with exactly the right spirit, passion and desire for success. They've shown dedication, a love for racing and an attitude that is nice to see in teams. They enjoy what they're doing, they're hungry for glory and success and they've put together a strong technical team with which to achieve their goals. Yes, they were slow this year, but at best they had a year to design their cars and Lotus only had, what, seven months or so? So to be only four to six seconds off the pace, considering the ban on testing, the low budgets (remember, those teams lodged entries under the assumption that the budget cap would actually be in place - blame Mad Max for that) and the lack of previous experience as outfits.

Yes, Virgin might just appear to be Branson's latest toy, but they're a solid race team who have had success in junior categories and have made the step up to F1. They took a different approach to designing and developing their car to the other teams and shunned wind tunnels in favour of a CFD-only design. Yes, designing a car with a fuel tank that was too small was, you might say, an amateur error but it was the result of a change in regulations that took place after the car had been designed. Considering their pace was quite close to the Lotus car, sometimes better, and usually superior to the Hispania, you could say that this approach was a big success. Again, they were off the pace, but for a first-year team they didn't do bad at all.

You may have a point with Hispania, but they've had their own major problems and if you take those in to account, they've done remarkably well. The only problem is that they seem to have no car for next year and no ability to design and build one...


yeah id agree too, lotus and virgin have done well for new teams and HRT have done well to stay in f1 to be honest
#227139
F1 will become stagnant with the same 6 teams every year

I would get bored just seeing RBR, Ferrari, Mcclaren, Mercedes, Renualt, and a Williams team
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By F1FanUSA
#227146
F1 will become stagnant with the same 6 teams every year

I would get bored just seeing RBR, Ferrari, Mcclaren, Mercedes, Renualt, and a Williams team


Yeah like how much teams like the Royals, Orioles, Mariners, etc add to baseball...
#227156
Absolutely not; I rather have the new teams, in my opinion the new teams have done well, given it's their first year with minimal testing, Virgin and Lotus have done well, HRT have been poor yet somehow finished ahead of Virgin! Next year I suspect that Lotus and Virgin will be much improved. Six teams of four drivers would be bad as we'd have to lose three teams, Williams, Renault and Force India more than likely! I believe four drivers per team will be massively detrimental to the sport because the top performing team will more than likely lock out the podium!
By vaptin
#227159
HRT seem to have had a solid base. I think their car was designed by someone decent.

But, do they have any money at all to build a car next year?
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By Denthúl
#227160
HRT seem to have had a solid base. I think their car was designed by someone decent.

But, do they have any money at all to build a car next year?


I think they do. What they lack, though, are facilities (I think).

Again, I feel the need to mention the huge benefits of merging with Epsilon Euskadi...
By vaptin
#227162
HRT seem to have had a solid base. I think their car was designed by someone decent.

But, do they have any money at all to build a car next year?


I think they do. What they lack, though, are facilities (I think).

Again, I feel the need to mention the huge benefits of merging with Epsilon Euskadi...


Have they started work yet?
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By Denthúl
#227163
Started work on what?

The plan was for them to collaborate with Toyota Motorsport and use the unraced 2010 Toyota chassis with Cosworth engines and Williams gearboxes. However, since they did not keep up with the payments, Toyota called off the agreement and thus Hispania are now left in a situation where there are not many more than 100 days before the next race. Their headquarters must be chaos right now and I would hate to be one of their employees.

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