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#226657
Stil cannot fathom how people can seriously think this was set up... Get a brain!

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Nice post. Thank you. You follow adding smart arguments to the debate.
If you don't like it. Please, keep you aside. Don`t need to suffer any more
Thank you again
#226658
The worrying thing is its making me want to go back and check out the video :yellowyikes::gonnagetit:


Please do it. I’m sure you will find it very interesting. And if you’ve got the Q3, take a look at Rosberg interaction with the Ferraris before the last lap. What the hell is he doing?


hehe I havent seen it since... but i remember at the spin i thought Schu must have gotten pretty angry at Rosberg for spinning him, then on the replays i thought... hmmm he spun all by himself.
Didnt make much of it. But the spin didnt look caused by anything extraordinary; if you look at Webber's spin in Korea you'd notice it doesnt take anything spectacular to induce a spin.
Fernando could have gone at least as long as Vettel and Hamilton on the first stint; so even if the SC had been on purpose, it didnt guarantee him getting stuck behind the guys who pitted then.
Anyway... i think and hope it wasn't on purpose. And sure, if Ferrari do launch a protest or investigation if they find good enough evidence to suggest it was on purpose, I guess its ok; they'd be within their rights... I doubt it though.


Please try to see it again. It’s pretty clear. And his behavior when he came back to boxes was like that from someone who just comes from getting the pole position.
In Korea it was raining, webber’s wheels touched outside the track and he paid for his mistake. In wet everything is different.
If MS did it on purpose he was looking for something great, he didn’t do it just for fun. He has a long and successful relationship with Ferrari’s strategist, remember that he won five WRC with him. They could have arrived easily to an arrangement. But what is really important is that the SC was absolutely necessary in order to implement any strategy that assured the title to Vettel. At least one with a minimum of credibility that could be justified as a mistake. A big mistake, but just a mistake.
If you have the opportunity, please see the accident’s images and also the MS reaction after quitting the race.

So wait. WHO exactly was MS allegedly conspiring with? Ferrari's strategist? But against Ferrari (or more precisely against FA)? The plot thickens... :screwy::popcorn:


Have you seen the accident again or not? If you don’t think that he did it on purpose, why are you wasting your time and <EDITED FOR CONTENT>.
#226659
I'm simply picking up what YOU were saying: that MS could have easily made arrangements with Ferrari's strategist. You haven't explained how that would work and in what way. I ask again: who did MS allegedly conspire with against whom to whose benefit?
#226660
Stil cannot fathom how people can seriously think this was set up... Get a brain!


For what you’re saying I suppose you have a super brain. But I couldn’t imagine that after reading your previous posts.
Geniuses are many times apparently normal people, even sometimes people think at first sight that their intelligence is far below than in the rest of the mortals.


Compared to yours mine is a super brain.
#226661
Stil cannot fathom how people can seriously think this was set up... Get a brain!


For what you’re saying I suppose you have a super brain. But I couldn’t imagine that after reading your previous posts.
Geniuses are many times apparently normal people, even sometimes people think at first sight that their intelligence is far below than in the rest of the mortals.


Compared to yours mine is a super brain.


Yes, but I´m sure that you keep it perfectly brilliant because you’re not used to use it. If it were a car you could sell it as a new one without any problem. And if you sold your brain I doubt that you feel any difference at all.
I even doubt that you know the difference within your super brain and your super bottom. May be because both of them smell like s***.
Good luck
#226662
Congratulations Jack!

All we need now is a mod to see your latest post and we could finally end this thread! :clap:
#226664
That's not a very nice thing to say Jack, I think your conspiracy theories stress you out a little too much. Relax, take a deep breath and just picture Sebastian Vettel as world champion instead of your compadres Alonso, accept it and be happy because it's real!
#226666
I'm simply picking up what YOU were saying: that MS could have easily made arrangements with Ferrari's strategist. You haven't explained how that would work and in what way. I ask again: who did MS allegedly conspire with against whom to whose benefit?


I´m just a person who try to understand and be understood. Nothing else. All my statement is based upon the fact that MS put his car in the middle of the track simulating an accident.
When I saw the Q3 for the first time I feel something strange in the behavior of Rosberg before the last lap, interacting with the Ferraris till the point that Massa could make his lap just for a second. I didn`t give it any importance and supposed that it was something casual. But I kept with an strange feeling.
When I saw the MS accident, his replay and the attitude of the driver after such an stupid mistake, I felt that it was strange but nothing else.
When I saw Webber stopping when he was just behind Alonso, putting pressure on him who was fourth. I thought that Webber had lost all his options and Alonso, unless he broke, had the job done, placed in a fourth place with Massa covering him in fifth position.
When I saw that Alonso stopped and restarted behind Rosberg and Petrov and almost behind Webber aswell, I thought that people in Ferrari was crazy. I couldn’t believe it, but as many other people, took it as an enormous and unbelievable mistake. Too big and too evident but just a mistake.
That’s what I felt that day.
I usually make a copy of each race and I usually see it a couple of times more.
Some days after the race I saw it again and when I arrived at MS accident I noticed that it was anything but normal and I take several looks at the way it happened. I remembered then the Rosberg incident in the Q3.
I’ve seen it a lot of times and I’m more and more sure (absolutely sure) that they were acting, simulating an accident. If you have the opportunity and see the race again I think you will understand easily what I am saying.
MS stopped the car in the middle of the track in the first lap when all the cars were grouped and he assured with that the presence of the SC.
The first thing you ask yourself in that moment is about what ultimate reason could have had MS for doing such a treachery thing.
You can find easily the answer by looking at was occurred in the race after that.
You can speculate and find very different versions or motivations, but you can be sure about one thing. MS don´t make such a thing for pleasure or fun. He needed a great reason for doing that and after the strange an counterproductive decisions taken during the race, the only objective that remains credible for me is that he was helping Vettel to win the title.
For doing that he needed the Ferrari’s strategist help. He had prepared the scenario for making possible that a wrong decision from him, could be understood just as a big mistake.
Without the MS action any credible strategy could help Vettel to win the title.
And that`s all that I can say. What did he get for that or how did he made an arrangement with the Ferrari’s strategist is something that I can’t know. But they have had a very long relationship and it shouldn´t have been difficult for them to talk about it an arrive to a deal.
I don't know if there is more people implicated in that or not. You can speculate but is impossible to know.
#226667
That's not a very nice thing to say Jack, I think your conspiracy theories stress you out a little too much. Relax, take a deep breath and just picture Sebastian Vettel as world champion instead of your compadres Alonso, accept it and be happy because it's real!


I`m sorry for what I’ve said and I beg your pardon. But you have to admit that you have said some nice things to me as well.
Don´t worry about me. I´m perfectly happy with Sebastian victory and I congratulate him.
The only thing that I hate is people cheating and lying in Formula 1 and in any other sport.
You`re too sure that I´m an Alonso’s fanatic and that my arguments and opinions are biased for that reason.
You can believe me or not but I can assure you that you’re wrong. I always try to be objective and fair. Fair play is much more important for me than a victory.
#226689
I'm simply picking up what YOU were saying: that MS could have easily made arrangements with Ferrari's strategist. You haven't explained how that would work and in what way. I ask again: who did MS allegedly conspire with against whom to whose benefit?


I´m just a person who try to understand and be understood. Nothing else. All my statement is based upon the fact that MS put his car in the middle of the track simulating an accident.
When I saw the Q3 for the first time I feel something strange in the behavior of Rosberg before the last lap, interacting with the Ferraris till the point that Massa could make his lap just for a second. I didn`t give it any importance and supposed that it was something casual. But I kept with an strange feeling.
When I saw the MS accident, his replay and the attitude of the driver after such an stupid mistake, I felt that it was strange but nothing else.
When I saw Webber stopping when he was just behind Alonso, putting pressure on him who was fourth. I thought that Webber had lost all his options and Alonso, unless he broke, had the job done, placed in a fourth place with Massa covering him in fifth position.
When I saw that Alonso stopped and restarted behind Rosberg and Petrov and almost behind Webber aswell, I thought that people in Ferrari was crazy. I couldn’t believe it, but as many other people, took it as an enormous and unbelievable mistake. Too big and too evident but just a mistake.
That’s what I felt that day.
I usually make a copy of each race and I usually see it a couple of times more.
Some days after the race I saw it again and when I arrived at MS accident I noticed that it was anything but normal and I take several looks at the way it happened. I remembered then the Rosberg incident in the Q3.
I’ve seen it a lot of times and I’m more and more sure (absolutely sure) that they were acting, simulating an accident. If you have the opportunity and see the race again I think you will understand easily what I am saying.
MS stopped the car in the middle of the track in the first lap when all the cars were grouped and he assured with that the presence of the SC.
The first thing you ask yourself in that moment is about what ultimate reason could have had MS for doing such a treachery thing.
You can find easily the answer by looking at was occurred in the race after that.
You can speculate and find very different versions or motivations, but you can be sure about one thing. MS don´t make such a thing for pleasure or fun. He needed a great reason for doing that and after the strange an counterproductive decisions taken during the race, the only objective that remains credible for me is that he was helping Vettel to win the title.
For doing that he needed the Ferrari’s strategist help. He had prepared the scenario for making possible that a wrong decision from him, could be understood just as a big mistake.
Without the MS action any credible strategy could help Vettel to win the title.
And that`s all that I can say. What did he get for that or how did he made an arrangement with the Ferrari’s strategist is something that I can’t know. But they have had a very long relationship and it shouldn´t have been difficult for them to talk about it an arrive to a deal.
I don't know if there is more people implicated in that or not. You can speculate but is impossible to know.


So you're saying that MS decided to call in some favors from a faction of the Ferrari team to conspire against themselves, i.e., make the other faction at Ferrari lose the WDC so that FA does not become champion even though he had the lead in the championship? And you're serious, right?
#226699
IMHO What happens in 1st lap did effect the entire result.

Schumi possibly do that to make sure Alonso, who was preventing him from his 8th crown to lost his chance for this year’s title.

Also possibly do that to make sure Vettel, who is fellow germans to grab this year’s title.

But 1st place claim by Vettel was his own effort and failure to maintain the desired 4th position by Alonso was his own mistake..
#226706
Hehe..

As an F1 fan and this forum fan, I dont mind much about which side i am.

I can also say that possibly The German of Vettel want to make sure his victory so he ask the German of Rosberg to do early pitstop in safety car so he can leapfrog almost everyone. For doing that he ask the German of Schumi to create an accident on the very 1st lap so he ask help from Force India but instead the German of Sutil, the Italian of Liuzzi did that... Well Gossip and conspiracy is so much fun to play with.. :hehe:
#226712
I'm simply picking up what YOU were saying: that MS could have easily made arrangements with Ferrari's strategist. You haven't explained how that would work and in what way. I ask again: who did MS allegedly conspire with against whom to whose benefit?


I´m just a person who try to understand and be understood. Nothing else. All my statement is based upon the fact that MS put his car in the middle of the track simulating an accident.
When I saw the Q3 for the first time I feel something strange in the behavior of Rosberg before the last lap, interacting with the Ferraris till the point that Massa could make his lap just for a second. I didn`t give it any importance and supposed that it was something casual. But I kept with an strange feeling.
When I saw the MS accident, his replay and the attitude of the driver after such an stupid mistake, I felt that it was strange but nothing else.
When I saw Webber stopping when he was just behind Alonso, putting pressure on him who was fourth. I thought that Webber had lost all his options and Alonso, unless he broke, had the job done, placed in a fourth place with Massa covering him in fifth position.
When I saw that Alonso stopped and restarted behind Rosberg and Petrov and almost behind Webber aswell, I thought that people in Ferrari was crazy. I couldn’t believe it, but as many other people, took it as an enormous and unbelievable mistake. Too big and too evident but just a mistake.
That’s what I felt that day.
I usually make a copy of each race and I usually see it a couple of times more.
Some days after the race I saw it again and when I arrived at MS accident I noticed that it was anything but normal and I take several looks at the way it happened. I remembered then the Rosberg incident in the Q3.
I’ve seen it a lot of times and I’m more and more sure (absolutely sure) that they were acting, simulating an accident. If you have the opportunity and see the race again I think you will understand easily what I am saying.
MS stopped the car in the middle of the track in the first lap when all the cars were grouped and he assured with that the presence of the SC.
The first thing you ask yourself in that moment is about what ultimate reason could have had MS for doing such a treachery thing.
You can find easily the answer by looking at was occurred in the race after that.
You can speculate and find very different versions or motivations, but you can be sure about one thing. MS don´t make such a thing for pleasure or fun. He needed a great reason for doing that and after the strange an counterproductive decisions taken during the race, the only objective that remains credible for me is that he was helping Vettel to win the title.
For doing that he needed the Ferrari’s strategist help. He had prepared the scenario for making possible that a wrong decision from him, could be understood just as a big mistake.
Without the MS action any credible strategy could help Vettel to win the title.
And that`s all that I can say. What did he get for that or how did he made an arrangement with the Ferrari’s strategist is something that I can’t know. But they have had a very long relationship and it shouldn´t have been difficult for them to talk about it an arrive to a deal.
I don't know if there is more people implicated in that or not. You can speculate but is impossible to know.


So you're saying that MS decided to call in some favors from a faction of the Ferrari team to conspire against themselves, i.e., make the other faction at Ferrari lose the WDC so that FA does not become champion even though he had the lead in the championship? And you're serious, right?


I´m not talking about factions. Just about the man who takes decisions in strategy. May be he wants to change to a new team like Mercedes to rejoin his old friends MS and Ross Brawn or may be is Mercedes who wants him. Who knows? I don´t find it so difficult to understand. I´ve heard that Vettel is thinking about going to Mercedes in a near future. If Mercedes wants Vettel he`s got him. Who knows? I know that´s speculative, but it’s only a man and a team and it wouldn’t had been the first time.
But I insist that the key factor is MS accident. He wouldn´t have done such a thing just for a small possibility of something small. It’s nothing about FA losing, it’s about SV wining.
Have you seen the images again or not? If he did it on purpose, is the only logical explanation. If you don´t see the images you’re not taken it seriously. Don’t waste your time.
I´m not a conspirator, don’t be stupid. Feeling superior to others don´t fit you very well.
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