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[zurich_allan]

Just a little thought based on qualifying today. Everyone for the last week or two has been talking about 'would Vettel help Webber if he isn't likely to win the WDC but Webber is during the race?'. Now before anybody gets on their high horse with what I'm about to write, I'm not saying it would happen, but it's a little food for thought... So...

With Alonso in Front and Webber behind, might Button (with orders or without) 'accidentally' get involved in a start-line incident with either or potentially both? It would certainly help Hamilton's cause if one or other of them (especially Alonso) were out of the race immediately... (that's assuming he gets a semi decent start of course...)

Just a little thought, likely to be nothing and highly unlikely to materialise, but a potential talking point none the less?

[smokin]

Just a little thought based on qualifying today. Everyone for the last week or two has been talking about 'would Vettel help Webber if he isn't likely to win the WDC but Webber is during the race?'. Now before anybody gets on their high horse with what I'm about to write, I'm not saying it would happen, but it's a little food for thought... So...

With Alonso in Front and Webber behind, might Button (with orders or without) 'accidentally' get involved in a start-line incident with either or potentially both? It would certainly help Hamilton's cause if one or other of them (especially Alonso) were out of the race immediately... (that's assuming he gets a semi decent start of course...)

Just a little thought, likely to be nothing and highly unlikely to materialise, but a potential talking point none the less?

Jenson will be just going for it and expecting the others to lift off with so much at stake. If there is contact it will be discussed at length after the race but it's not likely to be deliberate.

[racechick]

I think Jens would help Lewis if dong so would give him the WDC, but that would not invole deliberately taking out another driver.

[bud]

I do think he will get in front of Alonso at the start but I don't think he will deliberately take him out

[Hammer278]

I hope Jenson can outmuscle Alonso as it will help Vettel. This is one race I'm hoping Vettel to win (though I think Lewis is going to spoil my plans...oh the irony!) and Alonso to finish 5th or below. Best case scenario, someone busts up Alonso's car at the first corner, I'll be smiling through the whole race if that happens.

[nish2280]

Wow, people are still expecting Lewis to win?

So Jenson is going to crash into 3 cars so that his teammate can win? Why would he risk being banned from F1?

[Hammer278]

Actually Jenson just needs to crash out Alonso. The Redbulls normally take care of themselves at the most important points of the season.

But I'm hoping for Vettel to win the WDC, as Lewis has almost no chance. He's really impressed me the last quarter of this season, pressure is a non existent factor for him. Webber showed in qualifying he choked under the pressure.

[bud]

Wow, people are still expecting Lewis to win?

So Jenson is going to crash into 3 cars so that his teammate can win? Why would he risk being banned from F1?

Yeah it's a bit stupid to think Jenson would be so unsporting

[zurich_allan]

Wow, people are still expecting Lewis to win?

So Jenson is going to crash into 3 cars so that his teammate can win? Why would he risk being banned from F1?

Yeah it's a bit stupid to think Jenson would be so unsporting

Wow, people are still expecting Lewis to win?

So Jenson is going to crash into 3 cars so that his teammate can win? Why would he risk being banned from F1?

No I don't expect Lewis to win the title, far from it... but equally, I think others are a bit stupid not to still see it as a possibility. 24 points might seem like a lot for a difference, but last year the closest equivalent would be to compare it to 9 points. Given the situation and grid placings, is it so far fetched to think that perhaps either Webber / Alonso, or Alonso / Vettel might make contact in an overtaking attempt from any of them given the points on the line? If that were to happen, which as far as I am concerned is barely improbable, let alone impossible (especially if the overtaking attempt or block is attempted by Vettel), then it could potentially leave just Lewis and the other party not involved...

Also, as others have pointed out, veiled team orders or not, the truth may well be emphasised as somebody else noted above that Vettel, Webber and Alonso all have a lot to lose, Button has nothing to lose, so may be tempted to put his nose where it may not be welcome, knowing that others may yield out of fear of being taken out. That's a big psychological advantage to have in any potential overtake...

People are talking as though the gap from Lewis to all of the other title challengers is 24 points - it's not. The 24 point gap is only to Alonso; 16 points (roughly 6 under the old system) to Webber and only 9 points (roughly 3 under the old system) are big gaps, but not impossible as Kimi made up more than that in the last race of 2007...

Of course it would take a bizarre series of events for Lewis to become champion, but it certainly could happen, especially if one event took care of two of the main contenders, not improbable at all...

For what it's worth, I still think the title is going to Alonso if none of the above does happen, but I wouldn't write any of the contender off until either they are out of the race or there are perhaps less than 20 laps left today and all four are still running in the points...

[nish2280]

Its possible but not likely at all. If it does happen though i will applaud you however i will not be holding my breath.

And btw, if i were you i wouldnt be going through these wild fantasies, you will just feel terrible when it doesnt happen.

[zurich_allan]

Its possible but not likely at all. If it does happen though i will applaud you however i will not be holding my breath.

And btw, if i were you i wouldnt be going through these wild fantasies, you will just feel terrible when it doesnt happen.

Have a look at my signature... I'm no Lewis fanboy, nor a Ferrari fanboy, nor a blinkered nationalist... I don't say anything that is 'wild fantasy', I'm pointing out correctly that what others are perceiving to be virtually impossible isn't even close to that. It's unlikely yes, but entirely possible.

As I said, I'm expecting Alonso to wrap it up, but think others are discounting Lewis too early...

[vaptin]

Sure, Lewis can still win it,

But I don't think Jenson is that keen for Lewis to win it.

[Denthúl]

I do think he will get in front of Alonso at the start but I don't think he will deliberately take him out

From the dirty side? It gets pretty dusty here. That said, if he does it, it would be spectacular as it could give Webber the chance to pass Alonso and start on his way towards the front.

I think Jenson would help Lewis in the WDC though. If they ended up running in consecutive positions, went to pit and Jenson came out ahead, I think he would allow Lewis to pass. But I definitely don't think that he would drive in to anyone. He's just not that kind of guy.

[racechick]

I do think he will get in front of Alonso at the start but I don't think he will deliberately take him out

From the dirty side? It gets pretty dusty here. That said, if he does it, it would be spectacular as it could give Webber the chance to pass Alonso and start on his way towards the front.

I think Jenson would help Lewis in the WDC though. If they ended up running in consecutive positions, went to pit and Jenson came out ahead, I think he would allow Lewis to pass. But I definitely don't think that he would drive in to anyone. He's just not that kind of guy.

Yep. Agreed.

[Denthúl]

Bud, you called it right about Jenson getting Alonso. I feel I owe you a pint.