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[Denthúl]

Believe what you want if it helps you sleep at night. Im really sick of discussing this topic I think its spans across 4 threads now. End of the day the two examples do not compare to one another, Heikki was not leading a race and the team made him give up the race win. All he did was not fight Lewis for position after his pit stop. Lewis then went on to pass two more cars and take the race win. So i suspect he needed team orders to pass them if Heikki was going to be so hard to pass? You guys are a joke. Bye

You don't need to start crying and start throwing around insults because people don't have the same view as you.

Both were team orders. You can't deny that.

How was Hockenhiem 2008 a team order.

Massa v Alonso Hockenhiem 2010 Massa could and would of won the race.

Hekki could never of won the race and was stopping lewis from reaching 3rd he would of passed Hekki even if he made it hard he just didnt' fight since there was no gain for him really.

Excuse, althought Im not native english I am very familiar with the language, although I don't recognize things like "could of, would of", what the heck is that?

past-tense words for doing things

Lewis would of over taken hekkie - to say he would of passed hekki even if it was made difficult.

Hekki could never of - to say he wasn't able to do somthing such as pass 3 cars and win

ohh, darn, you mean "would have" "could have"... What is this "of" overuse, a new forum trend?

same thing

Except it isn't.

[texasmr2]

[Gaz]

Believe what you want if it helps you sleep at night. Im really sick of discussing this topic I think its spans across 4 threads now. End of the day the two examples do not compare to one another, Heikki was not leading a race and the team made him give up the race win. All he did was not fight Lewis for position after his pit stop. Lewis then went on to pass two more cars and take the race win. So i suspect he needed team orders to pass them if Heikki was going to be so hard to pass? You guys are a joke. Bye

You don't need to start crying and start throwing around insults because people don't have the same view as you.

Both were team orders. You can't deny that.

How was Hockenhiem 2008 a team order.

Massa v Alonso Hockenhiem 2010 Massa could and would of won the race.

Hekki could never of won the race and was stopping lewis from reaching 3rd he would of passed Hekki even if he made it hard he just didnt' fight since there was no gain for him really.

Excuse, althought Im not native english I am very familiar with the language, although I don't recognize things like "could of, would of", what the heck is that?

past-tense words for doing things

Lewis would of over taken hekkie - to say he would of passed hekki even if it was made difficult.

Hekki could never of - to say he wasn't able to do somthing such as pass 3 cars and win

ohh, darn, you mean "would have" "could have"... What is this "of" overuse, a new forum trend?

same thing

Except it isn't.

Bit sick of Grammer nazi's now it means the same thing.

[AlesiRed27]

Never mind the grammar. How about some sensible quoting? I see quotes here with 6 other quotes in them, then add one line. Lazy.

Edit: Make that 8 quotes.

[Sea Bass]

How was Hockenhiem 2008 a team order.

Because Heiki received a coded message from the team to let Lewis through.

Massa v Alonso Hockenhiem 2010 Massa could and would of won the race.

Hekki could never of won the race and was stopping lewis from reaching 3rd he would of passed Hekki even if he made it hard he just didnt' fight since there was no gain for him really.

So team orders only occur when the 2nd driver could have/would have won the race?

Heiki could well have finished a place higher if he didn't let Lewis through. There's no way of knowing whether Lewis would have passed Heiki were it not for the team order. What you've stated is purely speculation on your part.

[texasmr2]

Never mind the grammar. How about some sensible quoting? I see quotes here with 6 other quotes in them, then add one line. Lazy.

Edit: Make that 8 quotes.

[vaptin]

To be fair to the chappy asking about the grammar, he was just genuinely confused by it and wanted clarification, I think.

Anyway, isn't your argument bud Alonso doesn't deserve the championship by less than 7 because he got those points handed to him by Massa moving over? The same can be applied to say Lewis does not deserve his championship as he had those points handed to him when Hekki moved over.

You insist Hamilton would have got past anyway, but Massa was going to win the race, that argument would not stand up in any fair court. Heck doing so is more of a sporting sham than one driver moving over for another, lets attribute points according to what we think would have happened.

Or to put it another way, your the FIA president and have just swapped the 2010 German grand prix positions for Massa and Alonso, ie you deducted Alonso 7 points. Will you now do the same for Hamilton and Hekki in 08?

[texasmr2]

There is no reasoning between two camps when one camp thinks they are above the law or fail to recognized they are no better than the other, I just sit back and laugh. I could provide links to other websites that actually have mature discussions about F1 but I don't want to poison them.

[FerrariFan63]

LH fastest in practice. Interesting. If LH won the race, it would be very much more likely that Fernando takes the championship.

[bud]

You just don't get it do you Vaptin! Why was Lewis able to pass Massa and Piquet but not Heikki? All Heikki did was not fight, he was 1 second a lap slower than Lewis who would have had him on the straight Regardless all he did was not hinder his team mate. In effect they were not racing each other due to differing strategies!

Massa and Alonso WERE racing Massa was holding his own and would have won! Alonso had no way past him!


Anyways I'm sick of this topic said it over and over again but you're too set in your ways, so whatever suits your fancy, I know I'm right! And if Alonso takes this title it will for ever be tainted echoing through history taiiinteedddd no one will say that about lewis' especially after Spa and kimi handing Massa points too!

[texasmr2]

Whoever said this forum is boring was not paying attention .

[spankyham]

Whoever said this forum is boring was not paying attention .

Fernando's going to be shattered when he reads some of this

[smokin]

Whoever said this forum is boring was not paying attention .

Fernando's going to be shattered when he reads some of this

Too busy having his legs waxed.

[spankyham]

Whoever said this forum is boring was not paying attention .

Fernando's going to be shattered when he reads some of this

Too busy having his legs waxed.

...... and polished

[smokin]

Whoever said this forum is boring was not paying attention .

Fernando's going to be shattered when he reads some of this

Too busy having his legs waxed.

...... and polished