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#223128
I don't think it's particularly fair to single out Senna for poor performance this year. he's in a similar boat to the one Zanardi was in with Williams in that his race engineer is not very experienced. his engineer has previously been part of the Williams test team, and then Nakajima's race engineer. Chandhok / Klein / Yamamoto's race engineer on the other hand has been in F1 for years working with a number of drivers and a variety of back-of-the-grid teams such as Super Aguri and Arrows before coming to HRT.

A new team needs experienced engineers and for HRT, Senna's simply doesn't fit the bill. I strongly suspect that as a result of pairing a rookie driver with a not far off rookie engineer (certainly no experience of developing a terrible car) Senna has potentially lost half a second a race in performance to his team-mate each race, but has been making the difference up through his own driving.

If you give him a semi decent car and a team with reasonable experience, I suspect he will outperform most of the potential team-mates he could end up with.


That was interesting. I didnt know that about his engineer. Explains a few things. I agree that his potential is much greater than this season has shown.
#223148
Yammamoto deserves it if anyone.


don't be stupid


Yup. He deserves nothing, the guy buys his way into race seats like Pedro Diniz did back in the day. He is like a slow, less crash prone Sato. He has no future in F1 imo.

Does Senna deserve another year in F1? Ya I think so, that HRT car is total trash. We have to remember how bad Massa was back in 2002 but thankfully was given a second shot in F1.

Senna deserves a second shot in a better car imo.


:yes: and yamamoto does try his best in fairness...but he dont really deserve a seat at lotus...if anything what about NH?


At least Yammamoto should be a paid test driver in my opinion. Give him a break.

I know he seems to have no talent, but maybe it's true that he is buying his way into F1 like Lauda did and hopes to be competitive for a season or two.... For his efforts he deserves to be a test driver for a better team.

Did you know he outqualified Sato at only his third Grand Prix? I mean, I never watched the guy race in first two seasons. And this year I've seen a reliable consistent driver. He hasn't done anything stupid, he always finishes his races. Senna has started 16 races but only finished 7, retiring 9 times. Yammamoto has started 7 and finished 6.

But Yammamoto also finishes behind Senna....
#223178
Probably best driver looking for a seat next year I think, which should naturally match up with the best team looking for a driver. Renault if they ditch Petrov.


Disagree. Heidfeld is looking for a drive next year, as is Paul di Resta. Hulkenberg, too, seems to be in a position where he might need to find a seat...

I'd take any of those first. Hulk especially, as much as I'd like to see Nick get a place.
#223207
Yammamoto deserves it if anyone.


don't be stupid


Yup. He deserves nothing, the guy buys his way into race seats like Pedro Diniz did back in the day. He is like a slow, less crash prone Sato. He has no future in F1 imo.

Does Senna deserve another year in F1? Ya I think so, that HRT car is total trash. We have to remember how bad Massa was back in 2002 but thankfully was given a second shot in F1.

Senna deserves a second shot in a better car imo.


:yes: and yamamoto does try his best in fairness...but he dont really deserve a seat at lotus...if anything what about NH?


At least Yammamoto should be a paid test driver in my opinion. Give him a break.

I know he seems to have no talent, but maybe it's true that he is buying his way into F1 like Lauda did and hopes to be competitive for a season or two.... For his efforts he deserves to be a test driver for a better team.

Did you know he outqualified Sato at only his third Grand Prix? I mean, I never watched the guy race in first two seasons. And this year I've seen a reliable consistent driver. He hasn't done anything stupid, he always finishes his races. Senna has started 16 races but only finished 7, retiring 9 times. Yammamoto has started 7 and finished 6.

But Yammamoto also finishes behind Senna....


As usual you get your facts wrong

Lauda bought his way into a F2 team and was then promoted to Formula 1 as a Paid driver.

Don't compare a 3 time F1 champion to a driver who's paid his way into the sport and who's best result is 12th in Japan 07 (second to last) Sutil in the same car made 8th.

Bruno has finished higher than Sakon in every race he's finished.

Enough said.
#223357
Senna needs to beat Klien this weekend. As in, beat him in Qualifying and then out race him or it will look horrendous that this other driver out of nowhere is doing a better job than you... Twice!

He will most likely lose his drive if he is out qualified by the same margin Klien did to him in Singapore... 1 whole second! :eek:
#223432
Senna needs to beat Klien this weekend. As in, beat him in Qualifying and then out race him or it will look horrendous that this other driver out of nowhere is doing a better job than you... Twice!

He will most likely lose his drive if he is out qualified by the same margin Klien did to him in Singapore... 1 whole second! :eek:


yeah thats a bit of shocker for bruno, he needs to improve....
#223434
Whilst it is bad that Bruno lost out to Klein so badly in that session, from memory he had numerous problems throughout that whole weekend with the car. I doubt that would happen again. I also think a lot of people are forgetting that Christian Klein has been around F1 for more than six years in some capacity or other, has raced close to 50GP's and will have covered probably in excess of 100,000 miles in testing and racing in that time, having been around long before the testing restrictions now in place. A lot of people after his time at Red Bull thought much in the same way as Heidfeld this season that he was incredibly unlucky not to have been picked up by another (at least) mid-grid team. He is a very competent driver. he made the transition between Jaguar and Red Bull and has experience of helping develop a new team.

Bruno on the other hand came into F1 on the back of a couple of test sessions with Honda resulting in an aborted F1 career start due to the Brawn takeover, then straight into racing in a car that hadn't been tested, has been removed from the race seat then brought back and has an extremely inexperienced team around him even in comparison to the other side of the garage in that team. That's not forgetting the fact that he had a DECADE out of racing... certainly not the norm in this day and age, and yet has in general this season outperformed or equaled his team-mate save for a couple of poor sessions.

I really don't know what some of you guys expect, and I don't think it is in fact an issue of him getting into F1 on the back of his family backgound, I think the reality is that many of you (of course not all) have unrealistic expectations of him because of his name alone and aren't actually looking objectively at what he has done well. He has been competent, he has done a decent if unremarkable job and he certainly hasn't embarrassed himself or the team in any way.

Also, many of you seem what I think is almost remarkably ignorant in relation to just how important the driver's chief race engineer and team are to the development of a car not just in the long term but also in terms of improving and choosing setup over the course of a weekend. They have to react to an unbelievably high amount of feedback that comes from different areas of the car and driver and tweak so many different parts of the car to improve slowly but surely. To repeat, the difference between a good engineering team and a bad one can literally be worth as much as .5 to 1 second per lap at a race, which in F1 terms is a massive difference, and a massive loss if you're the one on the wrong side of it. I'm not joking when I say that he appears to be making up a lot of time through his driving compared to his team-mates to equalise the balance, at many times resulting in (necessary) overdriving and a spin or two. If you look at his whole season to date that has been the pattern.

You know, I read a lot of what is written on this board and have done for a good few years. Some of you know a lot about what you're talking about and seem to understand beyond the basic tabloid level of reporting on the sport, whilst others seem to understand just that. The ones that actually know what they're talking about will understand the points I'm making and even if they don't agree with them - which is all I ask for. The ones that just spout nonsense with no backup or reasoning - I couldn't care less about because I'm confident that it is just that - nonsense.

I'm quite aware that much of this might sound perhaps a little pompous, but you know what, after reading a lot of codswallop on this forum over the years, I couldn't really care less when I'm confident that I'm right...
#223484
Come now, HRT threw out Chandock, and have rotated Klein for Sakon, Senna's seat is safe because of the sponsorship he's providing. Why not give the constant driver the best engineer?

Klein also out qualified Senna in Brazil today, his engineer is supposed to be that good that he can get setup from Klein better than Senna's who has been in the HRT for the entire season? Why don't HRT put Klein in permanently? Because they need the money from the likes of Senna and Sakon.
#223490
Come now, HRT threw out Chandock, and have rotated Klein for Sakon, Senna's seat is safe because of the sponsorship he's providing. Why not give the constant driver the best engineer?

Klein also out qualified Senna in Brazil today, his engineer is supposed to be that good that he can get setup from Klein better than Senna's who has been in the HRT for the entire season? Why don't HRT put Klein in permanently? Because they need the money from the likes of Senna and Sakon.

In all reality it comes down to F1 experience/seat time imo.
#223501
Come now, HRT threw out Chandock, and have rotated Klein for Sakon, Senna's seat is safe because of the sponsorship he's providing. Why not give the constant driver the best engineer?

Klein also out qualified Senna in Brazil today, his engineer is supposed to be that good that he can get setup from Klein better than Senna's who has been in the HRT for the entire season? Why don't HRT put Klein in permanently? Because they need the money from the likes of Senna and Sakon.

In all reality it comes down to F1 experience/seat time imo.

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