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[spankyham]

Hypocrite? Please! If Jenson is in a position that's mathematically out of the title but moves aside for Lewis to keep him mathematically in with a chance at Abu dabi how on earth is that the same as what Ferrari did to Felipe?

You Ferrari lambs are pathetic if you cannot fathom the difference!

Hopefully all that head-banging you're doing will allow you to focus on what the quote/article actually says.

They are talking about "Brazil" not Abu Dahbi and Jenson has a chance in Brazil.

Must be really hard to face-up to the fact that McLaren are declaring that Team Orders are clearly an option they have, having backed yourself so heavily into the no team orders corner

[spankyham]

It'd be interesting to see if Ferrari complain to the FIA about Red Bull or McLaren using team orders and Webber or Hamilton win the championship a handful of points ahead of Alonso; if they do they would be the bigger hypocrites; calling others hypocrites when they have done the same (potentially if that situation arises).

Now there's the myown I've come to expect. I see you've got your anti-Ferrari crystal ball well and truly cranked up

Let's just make-up something Ferrari "might do" in the future. Then its a simple jump to 'well if they might do that in the future" then lets just convict them of it anyway.

Perhaps Luca "might" murder someone in the future, let's convict him of murder now.......

[myownalias]

It'd be interesting to see if Ferrari complain to the FIA about Red Bull or McLaren using team orders and Webber or Hamilton win the championship a handful of points ahead of Alonso; if they do they would be the bigger hypocrites; calling others hypocrites when they have done the same (potentially if that situation arises).

Now there's the myown I've come to expect. I see you've got your anti-Ferrari crystal ball well and truly cranked up

Let's just make-up something Ferrari "might do" in the future. Then its a simple jump to 'well if they might do that in the future" then lets just convict them of it anyway.

Perhaps Luca "might" murder someone in the future, let's convict him of murder now.......

I'm just saying that it would be doubly hypocritical if Ferrari *should* complain about another team using team orders. Let's face it Ferrari are not backwards in coming forward when the feel aggrieved rightly or wrongly, for the record I did agree with Ferrari on the whole Hamilton overtaking the safety car incident in Valencia!

[bud]

Hypocrite? Please! If Jenson is in a position that's mathematically out of the title but moves aside for Lewis to keep him mathematically in with a chance at Abu dabi how on earth is that the same as what Ferrari did to Felipe?

You Ferrari lambs are pathetic if you cannot fathom the difference!

Hopefully all that head-banging you're doing will allow you to focus on what the quote/article actually says.

They are talking about "Brazil" not Abu Dahbi and Jenson has a chance in Brazil.

Must be really hard to face-up to the fact that McLaren are declaring that Team Orders are clearly an option they have, having backed yourself so heavily into the no team orders corner

Ok maths must be your strong point, eg Jenson running 3rd behind Alonso and Webber with Lewis in P4, now if they were to finish the race in that order Jenson wouldn't be mathematically in with a shot in Abu dabi, but by swapping with Lewis that will give him a better chance in the final race. Which is what Whitmarsh is saying, they will monitor the possibilities during the race!

[bud]

Oh and I have always said, this is the time of he year team orders are ok, I believ before you started trolling this forum that the FIA should introduce a rule where in the last 25% of the season team orders should be allowed. Go do a search if you like!

[texasmr2]

I believe before you started trolling this forum (added the bold text for ya bud) I mentioned that the FIA should introduce a rule where in the last 25% of the season team orders should be allowed. Go do a search if you like!

Good one sir .

[spankyham]

I believe before you started trolling this forum (added the bold text for ya bud) I mentioned that the FIA should introduce a rule where in the last 25% of the season team orders should be allowed. Go do a search if you like!

So, team orders are bad at some races and not at other ..... even if drivers have a chance ...... no matter when you said this it is patently silly.

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Good one sir .

I never get called sir without someone adding "you're creating a disturbance"

[bud]

Gee you live up to your name spanky!... w***er!

Team orders make sense in the latter part of the season not at the first, not in the middle! If you can't fathom the logic in that then you're just as I suspect a typical Italian decent Ferrari fanatic who only sees red! I know my best mates fit your description too! Thus your opinion is void... Forza Ferrari right?

[spankyham]

Gee you live up to your name spanky!... w***er!

Team orders make sense in the latter part of the season not at the first, not in the middle! If you can't fathom the logic in that then you're just as I suspect a typical Italian decent Ferrari fanatic who only sees red! I know my best mates fit your description too! Thus your opinion is void... Forza Ferrari right?

How could anyone find a hole in this:-
"Team orders make sense in the latter part of the season not at the first, not in the middle!"
Your blinding incisive insights and logic are astounding!

Your friends sound ok
OK, you've had enough Forza Ferrari for today, how about this then "Avantiiiiiiiii Ferrariiiiiiiiiiiiii"

[bud]

My friends are arrogant, ignorant, think anything Italian is best Ferrari are F1 any other team is s*** etc etc infact if they didn't make good food I probably wouldn't be their friends!

[billindenver]

I think if McLaren use team orders...I'm going to enjoy cutting and pasting all of the 'as a fan, I was robbed of seeing the team mates actually race' comments into one long hypocritical pile of poo post.

As to Buds assurance that it's only ok if the driver is mathematically out. That is an equally large pile of poo. Massa has been psychologically out of the championship nearly his entire career and more so since his crash. He isn't the stuff of champions. He probably never has been. It's clear to most fans who watch him consistently beaten by his team mates. It's likely even more obvious to those who pay him. The team decided that their hopes lie in Alonso....and the results have shown that they were correct in that decision.

I'm not against team orders at any time or with any team. If you were against it then but for it now....isn't that the textbook definition of hypocrite?

[bud]

You know what's a pile of s***? Saying Massa has been psychologically not been in with a chance for a while! Did it ever occur to you that maybe a race win is what will give Felipe back his mojo? What Ferrari did to him was put him further down psychologically than trying to help him.


And I'm sorry if you can't understand being against team orders when both drivers have a mathematical shot at the title as opposed to one in and one out mathematically. It's black and white and not hypocritical!

[Robert12010]

Gee you live up to your name spanky!... w***er!

Team orders make sense in the latter part of the season not at the first, not in the middle! If you can't fathom the logic in that then you're just as I suspect a typical Italian decent Ferrari fanatic who only sees red! I know my best mates fit your description too! Thus your opinion is void... Forza Ferrari right?

How could anyone find a hole in this:-
"Team orders make sense in the latter part of the season not at the first, not in the middle!"
Your blinding incisive insights and logic are astounding!

Your friends sound ok
OK, you've had enough Forza Ferrari for today, how about this then "Avantiiiiiiiii Ferrariiiiiiiiiiiiii"

calm please calm!, yes it would look a bit silly if mclaren do use team orders on sunday but im sure they will know the best tatic in the intrest of the team and dont forget the WCC is still up for grabs too!, imo jenson and lewis should just be allowed to race like red bull have this year and then not say on jenson's radio ''jenson, lewis is faster than you'' can you confirm you understand that message''

[racechick]

Felipe was only out of it psychologically after his team stuffed him in Germany. Before that if you remember Felipe was leading while Alonso was having his 'mistake fest'. If you're saying he was unfit to drive due to his crash last year then it was Ferrari's error in giving him that drive. They should have chosen someone who WAS race fit.But having selected him, you dont s*** on him! But you know leading the current field is pretty damn good for a psychologically unfit driver.

If you cant see the difference between a driver who can no longer win the world championship (because there are not enough points left for him to do so)helping his team mate who can still win the championship..and a driver who is ordered to give up his win when he has every chance of winning the world championship early in the season; well theres no point debating this further with you.

[f1ea]

While it makes more "moral" sense to allow team orders in the last race, or 25% to the end... or anyttim or condition people decide its acceptable.... THE RULES DO NOT STATE SO. For the purpose of the rule, doing it on race 1 is the same as doing it in race 20. Felipe's mojo is not considered in the rule. Mathematical possibilities of the drivers... is not considered in the rule. Pshycological impact... eh... what?? but i think its not considered in the rule.

Teams will not make decisions based on when fans or other teams consider it acceptable to use team orders. They are out to create what they consider the best possibilities for THEIR team in the shape of either the WCC and/or the WDC. Always.

infact if they didn't make good food I probably wouldn't be their friends!

I can almost picture the look of envy in the face of the non-Ferrari drivers when the scuderia catering passes by their garages