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[vaptin]

Ted Kravitz is the best! Andrew Benson is also very good, although tends to be generous to the British drivers I think. Actually, thats pretty much the extent of the bbcs bias, they seem to be more forgiving and supportive of the British drivers.

[nish2280]

Ayrton didn't have to ask his teamate to let him past,he was normally infront of him anyway

Although I think what Berger was saying was more like he thinks he's the best driver at the moment.Bar possibly Lewis I think he probly is.The only thing I would say about Alonso is you don't see him overtake much,not as much as Lewis.Although that could be down to the design of the car.

Or because Lewis's car has great race pace but lacks quali pace, meaning he is behind lots of cars that he faster than (in the race). Or it is because most of us see BBC footage which is obviously biased towards Lewis. However i havnt seen any great overtakes by Lewis in the last few races.

dont think they are that biased!, they give all the championship contenders the same amount of praise and critisism!

"ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL, BUT SOME ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS"
- George Orwell, Animal Farm, Ch. 10

[f1ea]

Breaking News: Berger - "Alonso Bigger than God!"

Hmmm Bigger, i'm not too sure about.
A bigger neck... maybe. Faster... quite possibly.

On another note...
I dont even get from the article or from Berger quotes when he actually said "Alonso is as good as Senna". But then again, it wouldnt matter if he did say it, becasue there's little point trying to figure it out.

Of course Alonso shares some of Senna's traits. And also some Schumacher and Prost traits. That's why i think Alonso is the best and most complete driver right now. There are other drivers who may be better than Alonso on some aspect or another... but in total, i dont think so.

Senna was even more temperamental than Alonso! he once got out of the car and tried to start a punch fight with Schumacher... that would have been wild.

Another thing, perhaps you dont see Alonso overtake more than Hamilton (I'm not sure if there's actual numbers to prove Lewis overtakes more), but I have never seen a dirty/sketchy Alonso pass (except the one on Heidfeld in Monaco). but for example, the recent one on Kubica, where he rather went off track is a good example his style. Also the pass on the re-start on Lewis was great (considering timing, conditions etc) and the Monaco passes this yr. So yeah, MAYBE he does less overtaking, but if you look at his overtakes its difficult to find one crucial overtake he didnt manage, and considering he's never botched championships on an overtake attempt, i'd say his overtaking is as good as it gets.

Other than that..... no need to waste neurons figuring out who's better than whom.

[racechick]

Breaking News: Berger - "Alonso Bigger than God!"

Another thing, perhaps you dont see Alonso overtake more than Hamilton (I'm not sure if there's actual numbers to prove Lewis overtakes more), but I have never seen a dirty/sketchy Alonso pass (except the one on Heidfeld in Monaco). but for example, the recent one on Kubica, where he rather went off track is a good example his style. Also the pass on the re-start on Lewis was great (considering timing, conditions etc) and the Monaco passes this yr. So yeah, MAYBE he does less overtaking, but if you look at his overtakes its difficult to find one crucial overtake he didnt manage, and considering he's never botched championships on an overtake attempt, i'd say his overtaking is as good as it gets.

Other than that..... no need to waste neurons figuring out who's better than whom.

Ok so, Alonso doesnt overtake much and sometimes like the Heidfeld one its 'dirty'. Other times he has to go right off the track and wont give the place back so gets a drive through (Kubica). The Hamilton pass you say was great...really? Lewis was off the track! Oh and then there was that superb pass on Massa at Germany, you forgot that one. I would say ovetaking is not his strength and he makes too many mistakes to be the most complete driver. Other than that he's pretty good. Fast, relentless, ruthless and cunning I would say are part of his skill set...but not overtaking.

[texasmr2]

I find it hard to believe that Berger said Alonso was as good as Senna seing as how they were great friends and Berger always praised Senna for good reason. I say that Alonso shares the title of most complete driver on the grid with Schumacher and Hamilton has made more mistakes than Alonso has.

Just my opinion so don't flame to harshly .

[racechick]

No Alonso has made more mistakes than Hamilton, you forget them because they happened nearer the beginning of the season. Schumacher is not the complete driver this season, he's often been ragged and poor. Last race he was much better but Rosberg was looking as though he'd beat him if Webber hadnt taken him out.

[vaptin]

Breaking News: Berger - "Alonso Bigger than God!"

Another thing, perhaps you dont see Alonso overtake more than Hamilton (I'm not sure if there's actual numbers to prove Lewis overtakes more), but I have never seen a dirty/sketchy Alonso pass (except the one on Heidfeld in Monaco). but for example, the recent one on Kubica, where he rather went off track is a good example his style. Also the pass on the re-start on Lewis was great (considering timing, conditions etc) and the Monaco passes this yr. So yeah, MAYBE he does less overtaking, but if you look at his overtakes its difficult to find one crucial overtake he didnt manage, and considering he's never botched championships on an overtake attempt, i'd say his overtaking is as good as it gets.

Other than that..... no need to waste neurons figuring out who's better than whom.

Ok so, Alonso doesnt overtake much and sometimes like the Heidfeld one its 'dirty'. Other times he has to go right off the track and wont give the place back so gets a drive through (Kubica). The Hamilton pass you say was great...really? Lewis was off the track! Oh and then there was that superb pass on Massa at Germany, you forgot that one. I would say ovetaking is not his strength and he makes too many mistakes to be the most complete driver. Other than that he's pretty good. Fast, relentless, ruthless and cunning I would say are part of his skill set...but not overtaking.

No, he can overtake, the point about Kubica in Sliverstone was Alonso's control in going of the road rather than a collision. He doesn't overtake as much as Hamilton, but I agree with f1ea's point that when Alonso does so he's very clean at it. No tangling.

[racechick]

And then the complete lack of control in not giving the illegally gained place back.

Its pretty easy to do only clean overtakes(actually they arent all clean)if you hardly ever do them.

[vaptin]

And then the complete lack of control in not giving the illegally gained place back.

Its pretty easy to do only clean overtakes(actually they arent all clean)if you hardly ever do them.

Yeah, but not giving the place back isn't a lot to do with his actual overtaking ability.

He is good at overtaking though, he's made a fair few moves earlier on in the season when he's been down at the back of the pack, recently his cars in the position its supposed to be in, so there's no one really to overtake.

Kubica in Spa is probably my favourite.

[bud]

Over the years Alonso has struggled at overtaking! He doesn't position his car in the right place and ends up going off track. How many race starts has he gone to the outside ? Spain 07 always sticks in my memory!

[texasmr2]

And then the complete lack of control in not giving the illegally gained place back.

Your right I found that to be amzing he did not relinguish the place bad to Kubica.

Its pretty easy to do only clean overtakes(actually they arent all clean)if you hardly ever do them.

Possibly his lack of overtaking moves is simply because he does not want to take too much of a risk when he knows he will eventually make the pass, F1 is not bumper cars? I don't know but I do think he is not getting his justified recognition, just because his pass's do not risk taking himself or the other driver out, as other drivers, does not mean they are not worthy pass's right?

And then the complete lack of control in not giving the illegally gained place back.

Its pretty easy to do only clean overtakes(actually they arent all clean)if you hardly ever do them.

Yeah, but not giving the place back isn't a lot to do with his actual overtaking ability.

He is good at overtaking though, he's made a fair few moves earlier on in the season when he's been down at the back of the pack,recently his cars in the position its supposed to be in, so there's no one really to overtake.

Kubica in Spa is probably my favourite.

The part in bold pretty much says it all !

[scotty]

I find it hard to believe that Berger said Alonso was as good as Senna seing as how they were great friends and Berger always praised Senna for good reason. I say that Alonso shares the title of most complete driver on the grid with Schumacher and Hamilton has made more mistakes than Alonso has.

Just my opinion so don't flame to harshly .

Berger never categorically said it so your lack of belief is correct! Just more BS journalism to create controversy by twisting words...

[Hexagram]

No Alonso has made more mistakes than Hamilton, you forget them because they happened nearer the beginning of the season. Schumacher is not the complete driver this season, he's often been ragged and poor. Last race he was much better but Rosberg was looking as though he'd beat him if Webber hadnt taken him out.

Depends what you class as a "mistake".

Alonso has only made one mistake this year that has resulted in a DNF, Hamilton has made two that have resulted in DNFs.

Just to give you some facts rc: The spin in Oz he ended up 4th, the jump start in China 4th and the practice crash in Monaco 6th. Probably why no one is remembering them since Alonso drove some stunning recovery drives afterwards and scored good points.

They have had their fair and equal share of bad luck too. Hamilton in Spain, Hungary & Japan and then Alonso in Valencia, Silverstone & Malaysia.

[bud]

Silverstone was another alonso mistake, caused by a poor overtake attempt.

[racechick]

No Alonso has made more mistakes than Hamilton, you forget them because they happened nearer the beginning of the season. Schumacher is not the complete driver this season, he's often been ragged and poor. Last race he was much better but Rosberg was looking as though he'd beat him if Webber hadnt taken him out.

Depends what you class as a "mistake".

Alonso has only made one mistake this year that has resulted in a DNF, Hamilton has made two that have resulted in DNFs.

Just to give you some facts rc: The spin in Oz he ended up 4th, the jump start in China 4th and the practice crash in Monaco 6th. Probably why no one is remembering them since Alonso drove some stunning recovery drives afterwards and scored good points.

They have had their fair and equal share of bad luck too. Hamilton in Spain, Hungary & Japan and then Alonso in Valencia, Silverstone & Malaysia.

Well Id say hamilton's made one that resulted in a DNF, and he was unlucky at that. And that Silverstone for Alonso was poor judgement as much as bad luck, so Id class that as a mistake.