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[darwin dali]

I had Ferrari lamb once, but the pasta puttanesca was better.

I ate it with some fava beans and a nice chianti.

[Robert12010]

well yes i did and what dave ryan did was totally wrong! poor old lewis got made to look like a criminal !

Basically you are saying that Lewis Hamilton does not have a mind of his own? Despite what Dave Ryan instructed Lewis to do; Lewis was in on the lie, GUILTY AS CHARGED!!!

calm please!! yes i agree that lewis does have a mind of own but was mislead by the team!,

[spankyham]

Why do you have such a big issue with me? you jump on every post I make that mentions Ferrari, I express my opinion and your reaction is to try and belittle me! From now on I'll PM you with my posts in advance and you and read them and make any changes you feel necessary before PM'ing me back with the edited version for me to post!

Don't flatter yourself. I only commented on your judging Felipe a liar. Something we both know isn't true.
You won't intimidate me from calling those statements to task by trying to hijack my comments as being something to do with you.

And Ferrari were still guilty as the stewards decision was upheld; they just escaped further punishment with their "McLaren used team orders in Turkey" defence!!!

I have no idea why you are bringing this up. I have agreed. What you ignore and don't say is that the WMSC completely accepted Felipe's statement. They did not call it to task. They did not have any follow-up charge against him. They accepted what he said was true. You are the one calling him a liar.

I had Ferrari lamb once, but the pasta puttanesca was better.

It the pasta fits ........ and I'm not in the least surprised that pasta fits you perfectly.

[Hammer278]

Felipe didnt lie? you're either delusional or just a Ferrari Lamb if you believe that! Take your pick!

Pick? I think he's both.

[Hammer278]

well yes i did and what dave ryan did was totally wrong! poor old lewis got made to look like a criminal !

Basically you are saying that Lewis Hamilton does not have a mind of his own? Despite what Dave Ryan instructed Lewis to do; Lewis was in on the lie, GUILTY AS CHARGED!!!

calm please!! yes i agree that lewis does have a mind of own but was mislead by the team!,

I agree it was definitely a team mistake rather than Lewis.

If my organisation got in massive trouble and my CEO tells me to lie to protect the company (and my daily bread) I'm going to straight out lie. Maybe I'd be the Devil's next target, but this is how the world works today like it or not.

[spankyham]

Felipe didnt lie? you're either delusional or just a Ferrari Lamb if you believe that! Take your pick!

I think the lamb symbolism - when it comes to dealing with your and Hammer's endless insults is very appropriate.

[Hammer278]

That's the best part, I wasn't even insulting you. I truly believe you're one delusional Ferrari lamb.

You came into the forum on a high horse, not really being partial to any team and looking like a balanced poster who knows his stuff. But soon your true colours started coming out and some people saw it much later but I knew early on you're a Ferrari lamb under 'balanced' clothing.

From then, whenever someone else has an opinion on Ferrari or their drivers which contradicts with yours, you get back on your high horse and demand "facts" and ridicule others' opinions. That's just not on, and no ones going to stand for that. If you get insulted in the process, well you freakin deserve it. Just my opinion here. You don't have to like it of course.

[spankyham]

That's the best part, I wasn't even insulting you. I truly believe you're one delusional Ferrari lamb.

I agree you probably aren't able to see this as being insulting - you're no different to most other bigots in this regard.

You came into the forum on a high horse, not really being partial to any team and looking like a balanced poster who knows his stuff. But soon your true colours started coming out and some people saw it much later but I knew early on you're a Ferrari lamb under 'balanced' clothing.

From then, whenever someone else has an opinion on Ferrari or their drivers which contradicts with yours, you get back on your high horse and demand "facts" and ridicule others' opinions. That's just not on, and no ones going to stand for that. If you get insulted in the process, well you freakin deserve it. Just my opinion here. You don't have to like it of course.

I guess me saying "I'm a Ferrari supporter" was a bit too hard for you to work out? I'll try and stick to single syllable words when I want you to understand something in future.

[Hammer278]

Whatever. You know what I meant, or you probably didn't. I don't care either way, let's get back to talking about team orders.

[FRAFPDD]

the tifosi are only reasonable with other tifosi, theres no point trying.

[scotty]

A quick reminder. Get back on topic and quit with the personal slating please.

[myownalias]

Why do you have such a big issue with me? you jump on every post I make that mentions Ferrari, I express my opinion and your reaction is to try and belittle me! From now on I'll PM you with my posts in advance and you and read them and make any changes you feel necessary before PM'ing me back with the edited version for me to post!

Don't flatter yourself. I only commented on your judging Felipe a liar. Something we both know isn't true.
You won't intimidate me from calling those statements to task by trying to hijack my comments as being something to do with you.

I am not trying to intimidate anyone; I am talking as a F1 fan not a moderator, if it's not in green, it's not a moderator action! Oh, I get it; because the FIA ruled that he wasn't a liar; that means that he wasn't a liar; I don't think any neutral or non Ferrari fan believes that for a moment, frankly the FIA have no backbone when it comes to punishing Ferrari because they were one of the founding teams. By that reckoning Lewis Hamilton didn't lie in Australia 2009 either, the team told him to say it so it's not a lie!!!

And Ferrari were still guilty as the stewards decision was upheld; they just escaped further punishment with their "McLaren used team orders in Turkey" defence!!!

I have no idea why you are bringing this up. I have agreed. What you ignore and don't say is that the WMSC completely accepted Felipe's statement. They did not call it to task. They did not have any follow-up charge against him. They accepted what he said was true. You are the one calling him a liar.

I bring this up because if Felipe was not lying; why would the decision be upheld? A driver allowing a fellow driver pass of his own accord isn't a team order!!!

[billindenver]

Why do you have such a big issue with me? you jump on every post I make that mentions Ferrari, I express my opinion and your reaction is to try and belittle me! From now on I'll PM you with my posts in advance and you and read them and make any changes you feel necessary before PM'ing me back with the edited version for me to post!

Don't flatter yourself. I only commented on your judging Felipe a liar. Something we both know isn't true.
You won't intimidate me from calling those statements to task by trying to hijack my comments as being something to do with you.

I am not trying to intimidate anyone; I am talking as a F1 fan not a moderator, if it's not in green, it's not a moderator action! Oh, I get it; because the FIA ruled that he wasn't a liar; that means that he wasn't a liar; I don't think any neutral or non Ferrari fan believes that for a moment, frankly the FIA have no backbone when it comes to punishing Ferrari because they were one of the founding teams. By that reckoning Lewis Hamilton didn't lie in Australia 2009 either, the team told him to say it so it's not a lie!!!

And Ferrari were still guilty as the stewards decision was upheld; they just escaped further punishment with their "McLaren used team orders in Turkey" defence!!!

I have no idea why you are bringing this up. I have agreed. What you ignore and don't say is that the WMSC completely accepted Felipe's statement. They did not call it to task. They did not have any follow-up charge against him. They accepted what he said was true. You are the one calling him a liar.

I bring this up because if Felipe was not lying; why would the decision be upheld? A driver allowing a fellow driver pass of his own accord isn't a team order!!!

You guys are arguing semantics. A good knock down drag out ferrari lamb versus mclaren lamb fight is pretty fun to watch in here, but this one between two self declared non-lambs is actually pretty boring.

The FIA didn't proceed with further actions because they could not do so. Why? Because Ferrari's radio calls were nearly identical to McLaren's which netted a WDC by ONE point. Had their driver even attempted to hold off his team mate...McLaren may not have won that race, nor that title. So how could the FIA possibly get all fired up and hammer Ferrari for the exact same thing now and not end up in court? They couldn't. They have chosen in the past not to uphold this ridiculous rule, so they couldn't do so now. Get over it already. Who cares what the FIA thinks or thought or wanted to think about something that has already been decided and is over with?

Red Bull has admitted they are considering team tactics now. Team tactics...is different from team orders....why? Because there isn't a radio call saying to do something specific right that moment....instead it's all discussed ahead of time so it's tactics? It would take a special kind of naivety to believe there is a difference between tactics and orders...and even more so to believe their special team is above using team orders.

MOVE ON for the love of God!

[texasmr2]

A quick reminder. Get back on topic and quit with the personal slating please.

Yes what Scotty said .

[Fred_C_Dobbs]

In the 1950s, it was common for a slower driver to surrender his car to a faster teammate who's car was on the mend. Team orders are part of F1's birthright. They will never -- can never -- truly be abolished.