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#222204
I can't believe people don't think such things would go through a racing drivers head and I don't just mean as it's happening but away from the track, what are you going to do if you're crashing and your championship rivals are right behind you? Some of these drivers are the most devious, sneaky and opportunistic bar stewards in motorsport and wouldn't be in F1 if they weren't. This is why drivers like Button need by far the best car on the grid to go for the championship but others like Schumacher (in his prime) and Alonso don't. Webber has been a hard racer all season and is definitely not afraid of a bit of contact, if you want a bit of conspiracy theory, how about Red Bull designing their car with a bit more resiliance so they can be like that rather than having to tip toe around each other?

That doesn't mean I think he did do that but I also wouldn't rule it out. One thing about Webber is that nearing the end of the championship and when leading he hasn't gone into self preservation at all and that may or may not work out for him this year but next year he will be far more intimidating, he doesn't give anything away. I'm not a fan of Webber but I like what he's doing and I think his hard driving could give the sport a much needed shake, especially if he wins.
#222208
to risk your life is just outrages though.. esp in this type of situation, where it was possible to get t-boned, which would be the worse type of accident *think Alex Zinardi in the Champcar series*

The head of the driver association, wouldnt do this.. we all know Webber usually gives his opinion when race conditions are bad like heavy rain.
#222210
to risk your life is just outrages though.. esp in this type of situation, where it was possible to get t-boned, which would be the worse type of accident *think Alex Zinardi in the Champcar series*

The head of the driver association, wouldnt do this.. we all know Webber usually gives his opinion when race conditions are bad like heavy rain.


Ah yes, what a ridiculous notion, a racing driver taking a risk.
#222217
Good point hypertek...

Webber is the head of the driver assoc. He would not be doing that kind of stuff. Period

Just utterly rediculous
#222230
Christian Horner is not a happy chappie: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motors ... ea-GP.html

Red Bull team principal Christian Horner has dismissed as “ridiculous” comments made by Gerhard Berger alleging that Mark Webber intentionally tried to take either Lewis Hamilton or Fernando Alonso out of Sunday’s Korean Grand Prix.

Webber lost his championship lead at the Yeongam circuit after losing control of his Red Bull in treacherous conditions, collecting Mercedes’ Nico Rosberg in the process. The German had just overtaken McLaren’s Hamilton for fourth place.

Although Webber immediately held his hands up, admitting it was “totally my fault”, Berger told Austrian station Servus TV there was something sinister about the incident.

"He could have hit the brakes and stopped the car at the wall," said the former co-owner of Red Bull’s sister team Toro Rosso.

"He took out Rosberg, but it was the wrong one. I think in his mind he would have preferred (Fernando) Alonso or (Lewis) Hamilton."

When asked if he thought Webber took someone out intentionally, Berger answered: "Yes, it's clear. He goes off and it's over. It's so frustrating and a thousand thoughts go through your mind.

“It's very obvious. You can see his wheels are not locked up. Perhaps he had a brake problem, but I don't think so. One has the feeling that you would rather take one with you, take a point off him."

Rosberg was also upset by Webber’s failure to apply the brakes. Following the race, he sent a message to his Twitter followers: “Sucks! Don't understand why webber didn't hit the brakes. Was crazy(evidently)2 roll back over the track.” [sic]

However, Horner said that Webber had just been trying to keep his race alive and that to suggest otherwise is absurd.

“As with every incident in Formula One, opinions will always be made without all the facts,” Horner told Telegraph Sport. “Just to be absolutely clear – Mark’s intention was not to take out another driver after his crash in the Korean Grand Prix and it’s ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

“After Mark’s impact with the wall, it was clear on the TV and from the data that his car was badly damaged. However, the natural and immediate instinct of any competitive driver is not to give up and to keep going.

“In the atrocious conditions, Mark made the snap decision to continue as every driver would in that situation – it’s absurd to suggest that Mark would ever deliberately take out another driver.

“Mark accepted immediate blame for this incident, which in itself deserves credit."
#222233
This is one of those rare occurrences where Ferrari and Mclaren fans agree on the same thing :clap:

Keep it coming Berger...


Only because he didn't clip Alonso or Hamilton. :twisted:
#222242
It's a tough one to call to be honest, there wasn't enough force to send him back across the track like that but the suspension looks so badly broken that he probably had no say in the matter.
#222243
to risk your life is just outrages though.. esp in this type of situation, where it was possible to get t-boned, which would be the worse type of accident *think Alex Zinardi in the Champcar series*

The head of the driver association, wouldnt do this.. we all know Webber usually gives his opinion when race conditions are bad like heavy rain.


Ah yes, what a ridiculous notion, a racing driver taking a risk.


There's a difference between taking a risk when you're in control and taking a risk when you aren't. The latter is usually more likely to kill you.
#222246
“After Mark’s impact with the wall, it was clear on the TV and from the data that his car was badly damaged. However, the natural and immediate instinct of any competitive driver is not to give up and to keep going.

“In the atrocious conditions, Mark made the snap decision to continue as every driver would in that situation – it’s absurd to suggest that Mark would ever deliberately take out another driver.

“Mark accepted immediate blame for this incident, which in itself deserves credit."


Horner seems to be saying Mark had some input into the car control with the intention of continuing if the car was able, whatever Marks reason was for going across the track (in atrocious conditions) the risks were the same.
#222253
It's true Mark could have braked before going into the wall. Did he? I don't think Webber would do such a thing to take out another driver. But if Webber was doing it to return to the track so he can drive on, that would make some sense.

I do hope the FIA don't launch an investigation and literally hand Alonso the title... Also why would Berger be saying such a thing if he really is friends with Mateschitz (sp?)?
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