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2010 Champion

Webber
10
31%
Vettel
1
3%
Hamilton
2
6%
Button
No votes
0%
Alonso
19
59%
#222148
Can this thread please be turned into a poll? :wavey:

My tip is Webber. As much as I'd like to see Vettel win it, and as much as Alonso deserves it.

EDIT: Maybe I should switch, I've got a feeling the FIA are going to launch an investigation into Webber's accident.
Last edited by Big Azza on 27 Oct 10, 06:06, edited 1 time in total.
#222157
In all seriousness, the key consideration here is the fact that the points diffference between 2nd and 3rd in a race is only 3 points......which is precisely the points difference between 3rd and 4th.

Given the fact that a win gives a 7 point advantage the only concern for Alonso is to finish within one place of Webber for the remainder of the year.

If Vettel wins either of the remaining races it is impossible to overcome Fernando's position (unless he has a DNF)... as he is most likely to be in the top 3 each race.

Hamilton is the ultimate spoiler for the remainder of the season isn't he? If he finishes between Webber and Alonso (and Vettel wins) in Brazil...it sets up a very "politcal" final round.

I'll change my predictions accordingly. The WDC will be either:
1. Alonso by 5 points (from the Red Bulls on equal points)
2. Alonso by 1 point (from Webber with a win and a second in the final rounds)
3. .... or Webber by up to 9 points.

I'm going to lay a bet with the bookies today!
#222163
I will be first inline on that one


second... nah if he wins it even by less then 7 i think hes deserving of it.

jesus christ did a known hamilton fan just say that without a smiley to display by sarcasm, well that must surely mean i meant it?! but i thought hamilton fans were no exception biased fanboys fallen to the darkside that is mclaren, maybe im wrong in my assumptions, or maybe ill skip over this post and keep convincing myself otherwise...
#222168
So let us look at the bit of the context and a bot of the mathematics;

A bit of history: Ferrari has traditionally been very strong in Brazil, and off course Massa knows the track inside out. It is not unreasonable to expect a Ferrari 1-2 in Brazil with Alonso being the winner (Ferrari is very strict at implementing team orders :wink: ). At the same time, RBR definitely has the pace to come 1-2 in qualifying and defend their positions in the race.

Context: Alonso is ahead in the championship and is good at handling championship pressure, a field in which Hamilton is weak, and Vettel and Webber are unknowns. Ferrari and RBR have matching pace with Mclarens struggling a bit in that department.

Mathematics: I see two scenarios emerging with almost equal likelihood, with a very small likelihood of anything else happening.

Scenario 1 - 40% Likelihood: Alonso 1, Massa 2: If this is the case, only Webber will be left with a chance to catch Alonso, and that too only if he stays in the top 5. Even if he comes in top 5, he will have to expect a very poor showing from Alonso in Abu Dhabi. So, if Alonso wins, RBR is sure to give team orders in favor of Webber, and Webber at No. 3 (a 40% chance) will be left 21 points behind Alonso, and he can win if he wins the race (40% chance) and Alonso stays outside top 8, which I don't see happening barring an Engine blowout incident (which is again quite likely, say 30% in Abu Dhabi). Combined together that means a 5% chance for Webber to win the race. In this case, any other driver will have no chance of overtaking Alonso.

Scenario 2 - 40% likelihood: Vettel 1, Webber 2, Alonso 3, Massa 4: Alonso at 246, Webber at 238, and Vettel at 231, will be the final standings. I think RBR will likely not implement team order in this case, as Vettel will have a good chance of winning the title, and Webber can still win it if he seals the No. 1 in Abu Dhabi with Alonso staying at No. 3 or lower. So, they will wait till Abu Dhabi to see whether to implement the team orders or not. However, if this happens, chances of Alonso winning the title will be very slim as his Engine is in pretty bad shape, say 20%.

Scenario 3 - Hamilton 1, ____ A 50:50 chance in favor of Hamilton, or in favor of Webber or Alonso.

Net-Net, the likelihhods are as follows:

1. Alonso: 50%
2. Webber: 25%
3. Vettel: 15%
4. Hamilton: 10%

And if Alonso wins in Brazil, the title race will be more or less settled.
#222173
Just to confirm, you have made up these percentages right? Not some advanced level of probability that somehow allows you to enter a countless number of variables and receive this information that quite frankly, many would kill for.
#222175
I'm inclined to vote for Webber. I do think he has the best chance of winning it... against my desire.
But i just can't vote! :irked: maybe i'll get someone to push the 'submit' button for me :hehe:

I really hope Alonso wins the championship by 1 pt or something. That will be beautiful.

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