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[racechick]

This is retarded. Why the hell are there rules like this in the first place - cost cutting? I want to see racing out on the track. Not rules lawyering and cars dropping on the grid or trying to limp around because they don't want to take a penalty.

here here. Too many stupid rules.

[bud]

It seems to me that as it was a replacement gearbox in the first place then there'll be no further action, as in your first italicised section.

thats the way i see it.

[The_Stig_Money]

I think the penalty should be for the race weekend

The teams always change gears for different tracks (Before the race weekend). The penalty comes when you get to the race and then you change gearbox

On the other hand he may suffer a penalty for the 4 race length rule (Maybe he can use a old gearbox)

What ever the FIA decides it will be against common reasoning

[vaptin]

The regulations dictate that if a grid penalty is taken then a new 'four-race' gearbox can be fitted from the next event, meaning that Hamilton will not take further pain in Korea for a new gearbox. Sorry, I called that wrong in the race.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 079977.stm

From my reading then, the driver can get two free gearbox changes? It seeems a chicken up on the rules from how I'm reading it at the moment, the gearbox that Hamilton made after his practice crash was only required to complete the race weekend? I would've throught that in line with the 4 races per gear box concept (which I don't like anyway) the new gearbox Hamilton got should've been required to do 4 races with a penalty if needed to be changed? Or is he only getting the change because of this clause:[quotetechnical delegate accepts as being beyond the control of the team or driver][/quote]. Wait, it can't be that, that only counts if the driver fails to finish the race.

No its clear its this:

Any replacement gearbox must be fitted with the same gear ratios that were declared under d) below and will only be required to complete the remainder of the Event in question

That's madness, why shouldn't it be required to do 4 further races?

[scotty]

That's madness, why shouldn't it be required to do 4 further races?

I think it's in case of manufacturing batch problems. Although i don't know why that shouldn't apply to engines too. Both stupid rules in my eyes...

[What's Burning?]

That's madness, why shouldn't it be required to do 4 further races?

I think it's in case of manufacturing batch problems. Although i don't know why that shouldn't apply to engines too. Both stupid rules in my eyes...

Stupid is a prerequisite for rule consideration.

[Robert12010]

just good news that lewis wont get a penalty for korea plain and simple!

[smokin]

Just another case of the schizophrenia endemic in the FIA rules. Find one rule and there's sure to be another either contradicting it or open to a different interpretation.

Take the safety car rules that Schumacher fell foul of, for instance.

[spankyham]

This is from the Susuka "Technical Delegates Report" from Thursday 7th October. It's Jo Bauer, the F1 Technical Delegate's signature.
The same will apply to Lewis, as long as he, like Felipe, changes the gearbox before the event starts

[vaptin]

I guess this is another example of how things pan out if you motivate your rules by ideology. The minimum race constraints are there in the name of cost cutting and levelling the playing field, but the FIA don't want to punish the teams to harshly, so they get a let off if goes particularly wrong (ie two gearbox changes in the same race).

It's contradictory that a replacement gearbox only has to finish the event and not the usual 4 races, I guess its also fairly contradictory that Massa got a free engine change in Singapore.

[spankyham]

I guess this is another example of how things pan out if you motivate your rules by ideology. The minimum race constraints are there in the name of cost cutting and levelling the playing field, but the FIA don't want to punish the teams to harshly, so they get a let off if goes particularly wrong (ie two gearbox changes in the same race).

It's contradictory that a replacement gearbox only has to finish the event and not the usual 4 races, I guess its also fairly contradictory that Massa got a free engine change in Singapore.

Actually, he didn't get a free change, he got a 10 grid place penalty for the engine change and 5 grid place penalty for the gearbox change

[vaptin]

Yeah, but it was an effective "free change", different issue though, but still an issue with various easily spotted loopholes, lets just say "its not in the spirit of the rules".

[spankyham]

Yeah, but it was an effective "free change", different issue though, but still an issue with various easily spotted loopholes, lets just say "its not in the spirit of the rules".

I do see what you're saying.
It's kinda like getting a drive-through penalty but not loosing any places

[bud]

Yeah, but it was an effective "free change", different issue though, but still an issue with various easily spotted loopholes, lets just say "its not in the spirit of the rules".

I do see what you're saying.
It's kinda like getting a drive-through penalty but not loosing any places

Yeah or breaking team order rules and not losing any points.

[vaptin]

It's sad that a bunch of non-professional (but admittedly keen) f1 fans can sit around pointing out flaws in the rule book. We're not the hardcore nerds picking on minor details, these are things that actually matter and effect championship results, I know its complex but surely they must employ people with f1 knowledge to go through the proposed rules and think, "what if this happens?".