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Stonemonkey the point im trying to make and which you obviously do not fathom is that we are in the realm of racing etiquette. Something that spans more classes than just F1, You wont find that in any rule F1 book no matter how much you want to read them!
ok, so I can understand the terms of racing etiquette:
near the start of the first lap in Monza after trying to follow Alonso round the outside of the fast right hand corner but finding himself on the wrong side of Massa with twenty cars right behind should Hamilton brake early at a heavy braking zone and hope no one was coming up behind Massa or should he stick to his position and give room to cars around him?
In singapore, when Hamilton couldn't tell where Webber was should he have aimed for the apex with the belief that Webber wouldn't put his car where he did?
Photos chosen to support the argument - Monza photo from before Massa moved across squeezing Hamilton off the track
Yes, I chose the pics to demonstrate my point - stating the obvious, but ok.
I wasn't aware that Massa pushed Lewis off track, didn't see that from my angle, please post a pic or video.
, Singapore photo after Hamilton moved across.
At Monza, Hamilton stuck his nose where it didn't belong, Massa moved across and they touched. At Singapore, Webber stuck his nose where it didn't belong, Hamilton moved across and they touched. The only difference is that, in Massa's case, he had nowhere to go but off the track to avoid moving across. Hamilton, at Singapore, could have given Webber more room but didn't.
Both racing incidents; Hamilton caused the first one, both Webber and Hamilton contributed to the second.
Yep, as I've been saying since the incident happened, its a racing incident and no action should have been taken.
Stonemonkey the point im trying to make and which you obviously do not fathom is that we are in the realm of racing etiquette. Something that spans more classes than just F1, You wont find that in any rule F1 book no matter how much you want to read them!
ok, so I can understand the terms of racing etiquette:
near the start of the first lap in Monza after trying to follow Alonso round the outside of the fast right hand corner but finding himself on the wrong side of Massa with twenty cars right behind should Hamilton brake early at a heavy braking zone and hope no one was coming up behind Massa or should he stick to his position and give room to cars around him?
In singapore, when Hamilton couldn't tell where Webber was should he have aimed for the apex with the belief that Webber wouldn't put his car where he did?
Hulkenburg and Alonso said Hamilton gave enough room.. what do you think of that?
You are trying to find logic in a completely fictional and thoroughly inaccurate depiction of what racers consider etiquette to be. In reality, the only real etiquette on a race track is that you give room where you can and try not to endanger other drivers...and even that etiquette is more of what you would call a guideline than a rule. If the roles were exactly reversed, bud would be arguing against his current position just as fervently as he now argues for it. He argues for Hamilton, right or wrong..even if Hamilton says himself that he was wrong. There is no logic in bud's current position and further...he knows it.
All drivers protect the inside line. If you turn across the nose of someone who is on that inside line, it is called shutting (or slamming) the door on them. If you have just attempted an outside pass and not quite pulled it off and turn into the apex anyway...you will cause a collision, and it's your fault...not the guy whose nose you take off. At the F1 level, the inside guy is already at his braking threshold...which means he can't brake any harder than he is. Turning into him leaves him no avenue of escape and a collision will happen. This is common sense, happens every day, at every track, whether pavement or dirt or the grass out in front of your apartment like bud races on. The only reason he is arguing the point at all is because emotionally he can't admit that his hero may have screwed up yet another run for the championship. The pictures showing Hamilton at the apex with Webber over the curb is worth thousand words.
Hulkenburg and Alonso said Hamilton gave enough room.. what do you think of that?
.Photos chosen to support the argument - Monza photo from before Massa moved across squeezing Hamilton off the track
Yes, I chose the pics to demonstrate my point - stating the obvious, but ok.
I wasn't aware that Massa pushed Lewis off track, didn't see that from my angle, please post a pic or video.
Can't access the video here - removed from YouTube - just my (failing) memory of the incident to rely on.
.Hulkenburg and Alonso said Hamilton gave enough room.. what do you think of that?
I remember reading somewhere that Christian Horner hired 3 strippers to dance for him to drown out his sorrows after the Turkish GP. Lost the link though.
I remember reading somewhere that Christian Horner hired 3 strippers to dance for him to drown out his sorrows after the Turkish GP. Lost the link though.
Strippers!! In Turkey! Man they have phenomenal Turkish dancers there, no need to strip, Turkish dancing is far more sensual!!
Hulkenburg and Alonso said Hamilton gave enough room.. what do you think of that?
I remember reading somewhere that Christian Horner hired 3 strippers to dance for him to drown out his sorrows after the Turkish GP. Lost the link though.
Strippers!! In Turkey! Man they have phenomenal Turkish dancers there, no need to strip, Turkish dancing is far more sensual!!
So thats why Istanbul is your favourite city
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