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[The Immortal Dragon]

Since there was quite a bit of time to kill, SPEED reported that if Qualifying has to be canceled, then they'd line up by car number.

Wow that would put schumacher 2nd because of Hamilton's grid penalty.

I don't think that is a rule. Martin Whitmarsh probably said it hoping it would happen.

I think it would be down to the race directors to decide, and two of the most sensible ways to determine the grid would be:
- in the order of the drivers' standings (1. Webber, 2. Alonso, 3. Hamilton, 4. Vettel, 5. Button.. with penalty for Hamilton to take into account)
- in the order of last race's results. (1. Alonso, 2. Vettel, 3. Webber, 4. Button and Hamilton from the back of the grid, I guess)

Q will happen tomorrow

yeah, it's very likely that it will happen.. but you never know

[Denthúl]

Since there was quite a bit of time to kill, SPEED reported that if Qualifying has to be canceled, then they'd line up by car number.

Wow that would put schumacher 2nd because of Hamilton's grid penalty.

I don't think that is a rule. Martin Whitmarsh probably said it hoping it would happen.

I think it would be down to the race directors to decide, and two of the most sensible ways to determine the grid would be:
- drivers' standings (1. Webber, 2. Alonso, 3. Hamilton, 4. Vettel, 5. Button.. with penalty for Hamilton to take into account)
- last race's results. (1. Alonso, 2. Vettel, 3. Webber, 4. Button and Hamilton from the back of the grid, I guess)

From the rulebook:

36) THE GRID
36.1
At the end of qualifying practice the times achieved by each driver will be officially published.
36.2
a) The grid will be drawn up as follows :
i) The last eight positions will be occupied by the cars eliminated during Q1, the fastest in 19th
position.
ii) The next eight positions will be occupied by the cars eliminated during Q2, the fastest in 11th
position.
iii) The top ten positions will be occupied by the cars which took part in Q3, the fastest from the
position on the grid which was the pole position in the previous year or, on a new circuit, has
been designated as such by the FIA safety delegate.
If two or more drivers set identical times during Q1, Q2 or Q3 priority will be given to the one who set it
first.
If less than 26 cars are entered in the Championship appropriate amendments will be made to the abov
accordance with Article 33.1.
b) If more than one driver fails to set a time during Q1, Q2 or Q3 they will be arranged in the following
order :
i) any driver who attempted to set a qualifying time by starting a flying lap ;
ii) any driver who failed to start a flying lap ;
iii) any driver who failed to leave the pits during the period.
c) Once the grid has been established in accordance with a) and b) above, grid position penalties wil
applied to the drivers in question in the order the offences were committed. If more than one driver
incurs a penalty under Article 28.4a) or Article 28.6a) preference will be given to the driver whose
team first informed the technical delegate that an engine or gearbox change will be carried out.
d) Any driver who incurs a penalty under Article 28.4(a) will take precedence over any driver whose
qualifying times have been deleted for any reason.
If more than one driver falls into a single category in b) or d) above they will be arranged on the grid in
numerical order.

[texasmr2]

Thats my dawg !

[Hexagram]

If the track conditions are so bad that they can't do qualifying then there is every chance that we might not have a race at all if conditions don't pick up.

What happens then?

[Denthúl]

If the track conditions are so bad that they can't do qualifying then there is every chance that we might not have a race at all if conditions don't pick up.

What happens then?

Race is abandoned and we move on to Korea, I think (can't actually find that situation being covered in the rules). You know, if Korea is ready in time.

[The Immortal Dragon]

36) THE GRID
36.1
At the end of qualifying practice the times achieved by each driver will be officially published.
36.2
a) The grid will be drawn up as follows :
i) The last eight positions will be occupied by the cars eliminated during Q1, the fastest in 19th
position.
ii) The next eight positions will be occupied by the cars eliminated during Q2, the fastest in 11th
position.
iii) The top ten positions will be occupied by the cars which took part in Q3, the fastest from the
position on the grid which was the pole position in the previous year or, on a new circuit, has
been designated as such by the FIA safety delegate.
If two or more drivers set identical times during Q1, Q2 or Q3 priority will be given to the one who set it
first.
If less than 26 cars are entered in the Championship appropriate amendments will be made to the abov
accordance with Article 33.1.
b) If more than one driver fails to set a time during Q1, Q2 or Q3 they will be arranged in the following
order :
i) any driver who attempted to set a qualifying time by starting a flying lap ;
ii) any driver who failed to start a flying lap ;
iii) any driver who failed to leave the pits during the period.
c) Once the grid has been established in accordance with a) and b) above, grid position penalties wil
applied to the drivers in question in the order the offences were committed. If more than one driver
incurs a penalty under Article 28.4a) or Article 28.6a) preference will be given to the driver whose
team first informed the technical delegate that an engine or gearbox change will be carried out.
d) Any driver who incurs a penalty under Article 28.4(a) will take precedence over any driver whose
qualifying times have been deleted for any reason.
If more than one driver falls into a single category in b) or d) above they will be arranged on the grid in
numerical order.

I don't think that "more than one driver" and "all the drivers" are the same thing in this instance.
the numerical ordering is to decide which of 2 o more drivers is ahead, not to decide the whole grid.

[Denthúl]

I don't think that "more than one driver" and "all the drivers" are the same thing in this instance.
the numerical ordering is to decide which of 2 o more drivers is ahead, not to decide the whole grid.

It's the only thing in the rules that covers it, therefore the most logical option.

[Hexagram]

If the track conditions are so bad that they can't do qualifying then there is every chance that we might not have a race at all if conditions don't pick up.

What happens then?

Race is abandoned and we move on to Korea, I think (can't actually find that situation being covered in the rules). You know, if Korea is ready in time.

Could only be two races left in this season!

[The Immortal Dragon]

I don't think that "more than one driver" and "all the drivers" are the same thing in this instance.
the numerical ordering is to decide which of 2 o more drivers is ahead, not to decide the whole grid.

It's the only thing in the rules that covers it, therefore the most logical option.

No, it doesn't cover it.
There is no part of the regulations that actually states what to do if qualifying cannot take place. The numerical ordering comma is just a last resort to sort a few drivers which couldn't be given an order otherwise.

And because there is no proper regulation that states what to do, I think it will be down to the race director(s).
Also, using the order of the Drivers' Championship or the results of the last race makes much more sense than ordering the cars by number.

[spankyham]

You are all such a bunch of nervous nellies, I swear....
Q will happen tomorrow, they will race tomorrow and Korea will go ahead.....

[elfinitty]

spankyham is right.Q will start tomorrow but at a very early time.It is said that it will be 4 am in Turkey so it will probably be 2 am in UK.Bad thing is that many people will miss it because of time.Since Q will start a little time before race,i think racers will be tired to race wont they?

[vaptin]

spankyham is right.Q will start tomorrow but at a very early time.It is said that it will be 4 am in Turkey so it will probably be 2 am in UK.Bad thing is that many people will miss it because of time.Since Q will start a little time before race,i think racers will be tired to race wont they?

BBc asked Trulli who said it'd be fine.

[darwin dali]

I don't think that "more than one driver" and "all the drivers" are the same thing in this instance.
the numerical ordering is to decide which of 2 o more drivers is ahead, not to decide the whole grid.

It's the only thing in the rules that covers it, therefore the most logical option.

No, it doesn't cover it.
There is no part of the regulations that actually states what to do if qualifying cannot take place. The numerical ordering comma is just a last resort to sort a few drivers which couldn't be given an order otherwise.

And because there is no proper regulation that states what to do, I think it will be down to the race director(s).
Also, using the order of the Drivers' Championship or the results of the last race makes much more sense than ordering the cars by number.

Read it again: if no driver posts a time b/c quali wasn't run, they'll go for the numerical order as the only way to organize the grid given there's no other distinguishing characteristic separating the drivers (other than the odd grid penalty, which would be applied after the grid order was established based on car numbers).
It's probably different if the drivers complete a reconnaissance lap and then the quali gets canceled based on drivers' feedback.

[hounddub]

spankyham is right.Q will start tomorrow but at a very early time.It is said that it will be 4 am in Turkey so it will probably be 2 am in UK.Bad thing is that many people will miss it because of time.Since Q will start a little time before race,i think racers will be tired to race wont they?

Got to love it.....for me qualifying starts at 9am!....that's an hour and a half after the start of the Bathurst 1000. What a motorsport fest tomorrow is shaping up to be!

[scotty]

They will race tomorrow, i can virtually guarantee it. Even if it's only for a couple of laps.

Does anyone know if the real quali session is going to be broadcast on the BBC at 2am?