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[spankyham]

Whatever Fernando may have thought or wanted, in Germany, Ferrari, the team, decided that it was best for the team, that Fernando wasn't held up - period. Deal with it. The team implemented a team strategy. It's a team sport. The team is paid for. The drivers are paid to do. The rules will be changed to reflect this. If a few of you don't like it, if you may want your favourite, (or in this forums parlance, "fanboy") to win at all costs, there's the door, see ya. Go find a race sport with no teams and single drivers running their own cars. This is F1. F1 is a team sport, paid for by the "teams". Some teams are honest about it, some aren't. Some drivers are too egotistical to be team players, some can accept the team comes first.

[FRAFPDD]

Whatever Fernando may have thought or wanted, in Germany, Ferrari, the team, decided that it was best for the team, that Fernando wasn't held up - period. Deal with it. The team implemented a team strategy. It's a team sport. The team is paid for. The drivers are paid to do. The rules will be changed to reflect this. If a few of you don't like it, if you may want your favourite, (or in this forums parlance, "fanboy") to win at all costs, there's the door, see ya. Go find a race sport with no teams and single drivers running their own cars. This is F1. F1 is a team sport, paid for by the "teams". Some teams are honest about it, some aren't. Some drivers are too egotistical to be team players, some can accept the team comes first.

OH NO YOU DIDNT!

[vaptin]

Whatever Fernando may have thought or wanted, in Germany, Ferrari, the team, decided that it was best for the team, that Fernando wasn't held up - period. Deal with it. The team implemented a team strategy. It's a team sport. The team is paid for. The drivers are paid to do. The rules will be changed to reflect this. If a few of you don't like it, if you may want your favourite, (or in this forums parlance, "fanboy") to win at all costs, there's the door, see ya. Go find a race sport with no teams and single drivers running their own cars. This is F1. F1 is a team sport, paid for by the "teams". Some teams are honest about it, some aren't. Some drivers are too egotistical to be team players, some can accept the team comes first.

OH NO YOU DIDNT!

What do you object to? I actually agree with most of that post. . .

[FRAFPDD]

Whatever Fernando may have thought or wanted, in Germany, Ferrari, the team, decided that it was best for the team, that Fernando wasn't held up - period. Deal with it. The team implemented a team strategy. It's a team sport. The team is paid for. The drivers are paid to do. The rules will be changed to reflect this. If a few of you don't like it, if you may want your favourite, (or in this forums parlance, "fanboy") to win at all costs, there's the door, see ya. Go find a race sport with no teams and single drivers running their own cars. This is F1. F1 is a team sport, paid for by the "teams". Some teams are honest about it, some aren't. Some drivers are too egotistical to be team players, some can accept the team comes first.

OH NO YOU DIDNT!

What do you object to? I actually agree with most of that post. . .

lol no i do too it was just a poor sense of humour....Ar you British?

[vaptin]

Whatever Fernando may have thought or wanted, in Germany, Ferrari, the team, decided that it was best for the team, that Fernando wasn't held up - period. Deal with it. The team implemented a team strategy. It's a team sport. The team is paid for. The drivers are paid to do. The rules will be changed to reflect this. If a few of you don't like it, if you may want your favourite, (or in this forums parlance, "fanboy") to win at all costs, there's the door, see ya. Go find a race sport with no teams and single drivers running their own cars. This is F1. F1 is a team sport, paid for by the "teams". Some teams are honest about it, some aren't. Some drivers are too egotistical to be team players, some can accept the team comes first.

OH NO YOU DIDNT!

What do you object to? I actually agree with most of that post. . .

lol no i do too it was just a poor sense of humour....Ar you British?

Yes. Sorry, its just you and spanky argue a lot so I assumed it was genuine

[racechick]

Of course he was uncomfortable in Germany. He'd just cheated, very obviously and in a very unpopular way, and against a team mate who is popular around the world. Now the Piquet thing was so outrageous it was unbelievable, and Alonso covered his tracks well. Teflonso could smile through that one and shrug his shoulders. But Germany... guilty from the off and clear to the world, required a different respose.

How did he 'cheat'?

Merriam-Webster

transitive verb
1
: to deprive of something valuable by the use of deceit or fraud
2
: to influence or lead by deceit, trick, or artifice
3
: to elude or thwart by or as if by outwitting <cheat death>

intransitive verb
1
a : to practice fraud or trickery b : to violate rules dishonestly <cheat at cards> <cheating on a test>
2
: to be sexually unfaithful —usually used with on <was cheating on his wife>
3
: to position oneself defensively near a particular area in anticipation of a play in that area <the shortstop was cheating toward second base>

Ferrari used team orders. Alonso is part of Ferrari. Team orders are banned. Thus he/Ferrari violated the rules dishonestly. They were found guilty of this by the race stewards and the decision upheld by the WMSC....albeit upheld wimpishly.

By your 'logic' the following would also apply:
McLaren illegally obtained Ferrari data and brought F1 in disrepute. LH is part of McLaren. Bringing F1 in disrepute is against the rules. Thus he/McLaren violated the rules dishonestly. They were found guilty of this and fined $100m.

Yes they were ,and they were fined a ridiculous amount for it ,compared to Ferrari getting off practically scott free (oh and by the way Alonso raced for mcLaren then, not just lewis), but whats that got to do with Alonso's latest cheatin? Its a seperate issue.

[darwin dali]

Of course he was uncomfortable in Germany. He'd just cheated, very obviously and in a very unpopular way, and against a team mate who is popular around the world. Now the Piquet thing was so outrageous it was unbelievable, and Alonso covered his tracks well. Teflonso could smile through that one and shrug his shoulders. But Germany... guilty from the off and clear to the world, required a different respose.

How did he 'cheat'?

Merriam-Webster

transitive verb
1
: to deprive of something valuable by the use of deceit or fraud
2
: to influence or lead by deceit, trick, or artifice
3
: to elude or thwart by or as if by outwitting <cheat death>

intransitive verb
1
a : to practice fraud or trickery b : to violate rules dishonestly <cheat at cards> <cheating on a test>
2
: to be sexually unfaithful —usually used with on <was cheating on his wife>
3
: to position oneself defensively near a particular area in anticipation of a play in that area <the shortstop was cheating toward second base>

Ferrari used team orders. Alonso is part of Ferrari. Team orders are banned. Thus he/Ferrari violated the rules dishonestly. They were found guilty of this by the race stewards and the decision upheld by the WMSC....albeit upheld wimpishly.

By your 'logic' the following would also apply:
McLaren illegally obtained Ferrari data and brought F1 in disrepute. LH is part of McLaren. Bringing F1 in disrepute is against the rules. Thus he/McLaren violated the rules dishonestly. They were found guilty of this and fined $100m.

Yes they were ,and they were fined a ridiculous amount for it ,compared to Ferrari getting off practically scott free (oh and by the way Alonso raced for mcLaren then, not just lewis), but whats that got to do with Alonso's latest cheatin? Its a seperate issue.

I just showed the fallacy of your logic: equating a driver with the team would mean that LH back then was cheating as well - I don't think anybody accused him directly of doing so.

[texasmr2]

I remember seeing logical implied here somewhere WTF's up with dat???

[racechick]

Of course he was uncomfortable in Germany. He'd just cheated, very obviously and in a very unpopular way, and against a team mate who is popular around the world. Now the Piquet thing was so outrageous it was unbelievable, and Alonso covered his tracks well. Teflonso could smile through that one and shrug his shoulders. But Germany... guilty from the off and clear to the world, required a different respose.

How did he 'cheat'?

Merriam-Webster

transitive verb
1
: to deprive of something valuable by the use of deceit or fraud
2
: to influence or lead by deceit, trick, or artifice
3
: to elude or thwart by or as if by outwitting <cheat death>

intransitive verb
1
a : to practice fraud or trickery b : to violate rules dishonestly <cheat at cards> <cheating on a test>
2
: to be sexually unfaithful —usually used with on <was cheating on his wife>
3
: to position oneself defensively near a particular area in anticipation of a play in that area <the shortstop was cheating toward second base>

Ferrari used team orders. Alonso is part of Ferrari. Team orders are banned. Thus he/Ferrari violated the rules dishonestly. They were found guilty of this by the race stewards and the decision upheld by the WMSC....albeit upheld wimpishly.

By your 'logic' the following would also apply:
McLaren illegally obtained Ferrari data and brought F1 in disrepute. LH is part of McLaren. Bringing F1 in disrepute is against the rules. Thus he/McLaren violated the rules dishonestly. They were found guilty of this and fined $100m.

Yes they were ,and they were fined a ridiculous amount for it ,compared to Ferrari getting off practically scott free (oh and by the way Alonso raced for mcLaren then, not just lewis), but whats that got to do with Alonso's latest cheatin? Its a seperate issue.

I just showed the fallacy of your logic: equating a driver with the team would mean that LH back then was cheating as well - I don't think anybody accused him directly of doing so.

Well he wasnt the one emailing about Ferrari tyres, that would be Alonso again. But by association yes he was part of McLaren. I think with the team order thing once again Alonso was in the thick, urging for it and benefitting from it. I think there's two things here. Guilt by belonging to the guilty team andguilt by being directly involved with the cheating act.I think one's worse than the other.

[texasmr2]

I think there's two things here. Guilt by belonging to the guilty team and guilt by being directly involved with the cheating act. I think one's worse than the other.

Me too.