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[vaptin]

What? I saw him punching the air in delight as soon as he finished the German GP and yeah, a hug for your teammate, I see drivers from different teams giving each other hugs. The winner always seems to give the most hugs, which is understandable.

He looked fine throughout the podium celebrations, and he was totally fine defending his teams' actions in the press conference.

Of course, (Massa defended them as well) but that was why I didn't bring up the press conference, Alonso wasn't that delighted in Germany, see him in Monza or Singapore for comparison. But Alonso trying to console Massa, was clearly evident, in the bigger situation with Singapore 08, wouldn't his body language have been more, shall we say: "contradictory".

[Hammer278]

There was no one to deal with in Singapore after the win, Nelson was probably hiding in a hole somewhere, far from Alonso.

[vaptin]

There was no one to deal with in Singapore after the win, Nelson was probably hiding in a hole somewhere, far from Alonso.

He probably was, but of course Alonso's reaction to the win etc, now I don't think I even watched that race (I definitely can't remember it) and Bernie won't let me view it, I just got your description to go by.

[f1ea]

Evidence doesn't stack up if you all open your eyes for a moment, see Alonso's behaviour with Massa in Germany after the race? Didn't celebrate too much, gave Massa a hug etc.

Strange that, or does Alonso really feel bad and guilty sometimes? So why the different attitude in Singapore 08? He had no reason to feel bad? Of course maybe he didn't think Piquet crashing wasn't such a big thing, (strange considering the lesser team orders with Massa effected him), or maybe he just didn't know?

What? I saw him punching the air in delight as soon as he finished the German GP and yeah, a hug for your teammate, I see drivers from different teams giving each other hugs. The winner always seems to give the most hugs, which is understandable.

He looked fine throughout the podium celebrations, and he was totally fine defending his teams' actions in the press conference.

Of course, (Massa defended them as well) but that was why I didn't bring up the press conference, Alonso wasn't that delighted in Germany, see him in Monza or Singapore for comparison. But Alonso trying to console Massa, was clearly evident, in the bigger situation with Singapore 08, wouldn't his body language have been more, shall we say: "contradictory".

In Germany Alonso was OBVIOUSLY uncomfortable. He went to Massa to cheer him up or maybe also to show gratitude; he also asked about Massa on his radio on the victory lap... in the Singapore fix sting, he looked completely surprised. Even said, he thinks the win was totally lucky and due to the safety car. Unlike the next race he won in that season...

But you know what... whatever.

[racechick]

Of course he was uncomfortable in Germany. He'd just cheated, very obviously and in a very unpopular way, and against a team mate who is popular around the world. Now the Piquet thing was so outrageous it was unbelievable, and Alonso covered his tracks well. Teflonso could smile through that one and shrug his shoulders. But Germany... guilty from the off and clear to the world, required a different respose.

[f1ea]

Of course he was uncomfortable in Germany. He'd just cheated, very obviously and in a very unpopular way, and against a team mate who is popular around the world. Now the Piquet thing was so outrageous it was unbelievable, and Alonso covered his tracks well. Teflonso could smile through that one and shrug his shoulders. But Germany... guilty from the off and clear to the world, required a different respose.

Like i said above: whatever.

[racechick]

Of course he was uncomfortable in Germany. He'd just cheated, very obviously and in a very unpopular way, and against a team mate who is popular around the world. Now the Piquet thing was so outrageous it was unbelievable, and Alonso covered his tracks well. Teflonso could smile through that one and shrug his shoulders. But Germany... guilty from the off and clear to the world, required a different respose.

Like i said above: whatever.

[darwin dali]

Of course he was uncomfortable in Germany. He'd just cheated, very obviously and in a very unpopular way, and against a team mate who is popular around the world. Now the Piquet thing was so outrageous it was unbelievable, and Alonso covered his tracks well. Teflonso could smile through that one and shrug his shoulders. But Germany... guilty from the off and clear to the world, required a different respose.

How did he 'cheat'?

Merriam-Webster

transitive verb
1
: to deprive of something valuable by the use of deceit or fraud
2
: to influence or lead by deceit, trick, or artifice
3
: to elude or thwart by or as if by outwitting <cheat death>

intransitive verb
1
a : to practice fraud or trickery b : to violate rules dishonestly <cheat at cards> <cheating on a test>
2
: to be sexually unfaithful —usually used with on <was cheating on his wife>
3
: to position oneself defensively near a particular area in anticipation of a play in that area <the shortstop was cheating toward second base>

[racechick]

Of course he was uncomfortable in Germany. He'd just cheated, very obviously and in a very unpopular way, and against a team mate who is popular around the world. Now the Piquet thing was so outrageous it was unbelievable, and Alonso covered his tracks well. Teflonso could smile through that one and shrug his shoulders. But Germany... guilty from the off and clear to the world, required a different respose.

How did he 'cheat'?

Merriam-Webster

transitive verb
1
: to deprive of something valuable by the use of deceit or fraud
2
: to influence or lead by deceit, trick, or artifice
3
: to elude or thwart by or as if by outwitting <cheat death>

intransitive verb
1
a : to practice fraud or trickery b : to violate rules dishonestly <cheat at cards> <cheating on a test>
2
: to be sexually unfaithful —usually used with on <was cheating on his wife>
3
: to position oneself defensively near a particular area in anticipation of a play in that area <the shortstop was cheating toward second base>

Ferrari used team orders. Alonso is part of Ferrari. Team orders are banned. Thus he/Ferrari violated the rules dishonestly. They were found guilty of this by the race stewards and the decision upheld by the WMSC....albeit upheld wimpishly.

[darwin dali]

Of course he was uncomfortable in Germany. He'd just cheated, very obviously and in a very unpopular way, and against a team mate who is popular around the world. Now the Piquet thing was so outrageous it was unbelievable, and Alonso covered his tracks well. Teflonso could smile through that one and shrug his shoulders. But Germany... guilty from the off and clear to the world, required a different respose.

How did he 'cheat'?

Merriam-Webster

transitive verb
1
: to deprive of something valuable by the use of deceit or fraud
2
: to influence or lead by deceit, trick, or artifice
3
: to elude or thwart by or as if by outwitting <cheat death>

intransitive verb
1
a : to practice fraud or trickery b : to violate rules dishonestly <cheat at cards> <cheating on a test>
2
: to be sexually unfaithful —usually used with on <was cheating on his wife>
3
: to position oneself defensively near a particular area in anticipation of a play in that area <the shortstop was cheating toward second base>

Ferrari used team orders. Alonso is part of Ferrari. Team orders are banned. Thus he/Ferrari violated the rules dishonestly. They were found guilty of this by the race stewards and the decision upheld by the WMSC....albeit upheld wimpishly.

By your 'logic' the following would also apply:
McLaren illegally obtained Ferrari data and brought F1 in disrepute. LH is part of McLaren. Bringing F1 in disrepute is against the rules. Thus he/McLaren violated the rules dishonestly. They were found guilty of this and fined $100m.

[FRAFPDD]

Of course he was uncomfortable in Germany. He'd just cheated, very obviously and in a very unpopular way, and against a team mate who is popular around the world. Now the Piquet thing was so outrageous it was unbelievable, and Alonso covered his tracks well. Teflonso could smile through that one and shrug his shoulders. But Germany... guilty from the off and clear to the world, required a different respose.

How did he 'cheat'?

Merriam-Webster

transitive verb
1
: to deprive of something valuable by the use of deceit or fraud
2
: to influence or lead by deceit, trick, or artifice
3
: to elude or thwart by or as if by outwitting <cheat death>

intransitive verb
1
a : to practice fraud or trickery b : to violate rules dishonestly <cheat at cards> <cheating on a test>
2
: to be sexually unfaithful —usually used with on <was cheating on his wife>
3
: to position oneself defensively near a particular area in anticipation of a play in that area <the shortstop was cheating toward second base>

unfortunately despite yhe admirable efforts to prove otherwise, youv kinda shot yourself int eh foot, Ferrari/Alonso were guilty of the ones ive bolded, he defrauded massa of something valuable that is the race win by deceiving fellow racers, and fans. They violated the rules dishonestly and recieved a fine to prove it, and i guess he influenced the team to make that decision with his complaints on the radio, that three of 6 you can find them guilty for.

[darwin dali]

Of course he was uncomfortable in Germany. He'd just cheated, very obviously and in a very unpopular way, and against a team mate who is popular around the world. Now the Piquet thing was so outrageous it was unbelievable, and Alonso covered his tracks well. Teflonso could smile through that one and shrug his shoulders. But Germany... guilty from the off and clear to the world, required a different respose.

How did he 'cheat'?

Merriam-Webster

transitive verb
1
: to deprive of something valuable by the use of deceit or fraud
2
: to influence or lead by deceit, trick, or artifice
3
: to elude or thwart by or as if by outwitting <cheat death>

intransitive verb
1
a : to practice fraud or trickery b : to violate rules dishonestly <cheat at cards> <cheating on a test>
2
: to be sexually unfaithful —usually used with on <was cheating on his wife>
3
: to position oneself defensively near a particular area in anticipation of a play in that area <the shortstop was cheating toward second base>

unfortunately despite yhe admirable efforts to prove otherwise, youv kinda shot yourself int eh foot, Ferrari/Alonso were guilty of the ones ive bolded, he defrauded massa of something valuable that is the race win by deceiving fellow racers, and fans. They violated the rules dishonestly and recieved a fine to prove it, and i guess he influenced the team to make that decision with his complaints on the radio, that three of 6 you can find them guilty for.

Equating FA with Ferrari is the crux with your argument. And as you said: "I guess he influenced"

[Hammer278]

He didn't influence, he told Ferrari to make Massa let him pass!! If not, he needn't whine about anything, his car was fine and he was faster! The team didn't tell him to "hold station", he could have made a race out of it and won by PASSING (you know, the reason why the sport exists for in the first place!!)

After he got his way, he gave Massa hugs and smiled at the camera and punched his fist in the air, etcetc, and skirted questions in the press conference like a wimp. It was a disgrace, but I enjoyed it as he was wearing a Ferrari suit.

[vaptin]

He didn't influence, he told Ferrari to make Massa let him pass!! If not, he needn't whine about anything, his car was fine and he was faster! The team didn't tell him to "hold station", he could have made a race out of it and won by PASSING (you know, the reason why the sport exists for in the first place!!)

After he got his way, he gave Massa hugs and smiled at the camera and punched his fist in the air, etcetc, and skirted questions in the press conference like a wimp. It was a disgrace, but I enjoyed it as he was wearing a Ferrari suit.

Evidence?

Also, its ironic having a Hamilton fan complaining about press conference lies. . . (should I have stopped short of saying downright hypocritable?).

[FRAFPDD]

Of course he was uncomfortable in Germany. He'd just cheated, very obviously and in a very unpopular way, and against a team mate who is popular around the world. Now the Piquet thing was so outrageous it was unbelievable, and Alonso covered his tracks well. Teflonso could smile through that one and shrug his shoulders. But Germany... guilty from the off and clear to the world, required a different respose.

How did he 'cheat'?

Merriam-Webster

transitive verb
1
: to deprive of something valuable by the use of deceit or fraud
2
: to influence or lead by deceit, trick, or artifice
3
: to elude or thwart by or as if by outwitting <cheat death>

intransitive verb
1
a : to practice fraud or trickery b : to violate rules dishonestly <cheat at cards> <cheating on a test>
2
: to be sexually unfaithful —usually used with on <was cheating on his wife>
3
: to position oneself defensively near a particular area in anticipation of a play in that area <the shortstop was cheating toward second base>

unfortunately despite yhe admirable efforts to prove otherwise, youv kinda shot yourself int eh foot, Ferrari/Alonso were guilty of the ones ive bolded, he defrauded massa of something valuable that is the race win by deceiving fellow racers, and fans. They violated the rules dishonestly and recieved a fine to prove it, and i guess he influenced the team to make that decision with his complaints on the radio, that three of 6 you can find them guilty for.

Equating FA with Ferrari is the crux with your argument. And as you said: "I guess he influenced"

Im afraid i dont quite follow you squadron leader....