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[stonemonkey]

It appears Webber doesn't want to do his "fair share" of moving and giving ground in wheel to wheel racing,....

This is what I'm getting at, he's not giving any ground at all and to me it looks like he's going for the blind spot and not caring if the other guy who can't see where he is turns into him. You think if Vettel knew where Webber was he would've done what he did in Turkey, so why did Vettel not know where Webber was?

[f1ea]

don't know what it is exactly but I'm convinced Webber is playing some game here.

Guess we gotta wait for a Mark Hugues article once again. I'm sure he'll unravel the mistery.

I think... Webber simply is writing out the message: I WILL NOT MAKE WAY FOR ANYONE. NO ONE.
And Lewis (and Vettel also): I WILL GO FOR EVERYTHING. ALWAYS.

Nothing very surprising, nor unheard of...

[hounddub]

don't know what it is exactly but I'm convinced Webber is playing some game here.

Guess we gotta wait for a Mark Hugues article once again. I'm sure he'll unravel the mistery.

I think... Webber simply is writing out the message: I WILL NOT MAKE WAY FOR ANYONE. NO ONE.
And Lewis (and Vettel also): I WILL GO FOR EVERYTHING. ALWAYS.

Nothing very surprising, nor unheard of...

Put it like this....if you had to wait for 10 years in the game to have a shot at the title, you'd be the same.....compared to someone...say....who has been spoonfed with a top car from the day he arrived in Formula 1.

Go figure

[Ineluke]

don't know what it is exactly but I'm convinced Webber is playing some game here.

Guess we gotta wait for a Mark Hugues article once again. I'm sure he'll unravel the mistery.

I think... Webber simply is writing out the message: I WILL NOT MAKE WAY FOR ANYONE. NO ONE.
And Lewis (and Vettel also): I WILL GO FOR EVERYTHING. ALWAYS.

Nothing very surprising, nor unheard of...

Put it like this....if you had to wait for 10 years in the game to have a shot at the title, you'd be the same.....compared to someone...say....who has been spoonfed with a top car from the day he arrived in Formula 1.

Go figure

Go figure, an Aussie who would see it that way.

Let me say this to you: their may very well come a time in the last race when Ramrod Webber needs Lewis to come in front of his team mate Vettel.

I can't see Alonso winning again but i can see Vettel taking the next three races. I can see Lewis going all out to score as many points as possible in the next 3 or 4 races.

Webbers actions towards Lewis in Australia and last weekend could very well come back to bite him in his bottom. What if we get into a situation where Vettel in the last race has to pass Lewis to gain a winning position on the track.

I can really see Lewis slowing down to let Vettel pass and i would think no matter how he feels about Alonso he would let him pass as well.

Now that Lewis is 3rd and is unlightly to win the pressure is all on Webber now.

He really will come to regreat his actions IMO.

[hounddub]

Oh dear...another over sensitive Englishman with elevated expectations of what "might" happen in future races.

"Ramrod Webber" you proclaim....ha....what a joke. The guy has garnered significant respect over a long career in F1 and suddenly you accuse him of being a loose cannon.

Maybe one should be looking a little closer to home to attach the "ramrod" monicker.

Ashes for anyone?

[myownalias]

First of all; I am an Englishman; so I can not be accused of being nationalistically biased towards Webber. I firmly believe that Mark Webber would rather win the world drivers title on merit rather than have it handed to him on a plater; e.g. Fernando Alonso having the whole team behind him. Mark said; win or lose the championship, he wants to have no regrets, basically give it everything and if he comes out on top, that'd be great! With the top five being so closely matched right now I believe Lewis has blown his chances of the title with his two overtaking moves gone wrong. He could have still passed Webber if he had given him a little more room as Lewis would have had the momentum coming out of the corner, but instead he tried to push Webber off the track, Webber stood firm and Hamilton being out of the race was the result.

Ashes for anyone?

6 - 0 to the Englishman... you won't be so comfortable now that Shane Warne has finally retired from cricket; or has he decided to make another return?

[hounddub]

First of all; I am an Englishman; so I can not be accused of being nationalistically biased towards Webber. I firmly believe that Mark Webber would rather win the world drivers title on merit rather than have it handed to him on a plater; e.g. Fernando Alonso having the whole team behind him. Mark said; win or lose the championship, he wants to have no regrets, basically give it everything and if he comes out on top, that'd be great! With the top five being so closely matched right now I believe Lewis has blown his chances of the title with his two overtaking moves gone wrong. He could have still passed Webber if he had given him a little more room as Lewis would have had the momentum coming out of the corner, but instead he tried to push Webber off the track, Webber stood firm and Hamilton being out of the race was the result.

Ashes for anyone?

6 - 0 to the Englishman... you won't be so comfortable now that Shane Warne has finally retired from cricket; or has he decided to make another return?

Nah mate...we've got Pakistani bookies on our side dont we?

[Ineluke]

First of all; I am an Englishman; so I can not be accused of being nationalistically biased towards Webber. I firmly believe that Mark Webber would rather win the world drivers title on merit rather than have it handed to him on a plater; e.g. Fernando Alonso having the whole team behind him. Mark said; win or lose the championship, he wants to have no regrets, basically give it everything and if he comes out on top, that'd be great! With the top five being so closely matched right now I believe Lewis has blown his chances of the title with his two overtaking moves gone wrong. He could have still passed Webber if he had given him a little more room as Lewis would have had the momentum coming out of the corner, but instead he tried to push Webber off the track, Webber stood firm and Hamilton being out of the race was the result.

Ashes for anyone?

6 - 0 to the Englishman... you won't be so comfortable now that Shane Warne has finally retired from cricket; or has he decided to make another return?

Rubbish, Lewis didn't try to push him off the track, he had the racing line just like Vettel was in the right in turkey. Your view does not supprise me though.

I wonder if you would be saying the same thing if it was Jenson and not Lewis.

I think not.

[racechick]

Lewis had the line, thats clear. Did Webber deliberately drive into him or couldnt help it????? Hmmmmm.

[hounddub]

Lewis had the line, thats clear. Did Webber deliberately drive into him or couldnt help it????? Hmmmmm.

Yep...you are right and the entire press corp and the FIA and the independant racing standards judge and just about everyone else who actually saw the event are wrong.....aren't they?

It's a conspiracy against all things British..... another attempt to put McLaren back into their box....isn't it?

God wake up and realise that it's a big boy's sport....for the final time.....it was a racing incident.

[racechick]

Lewis had the line, thats clear. Did Webber deliberately drive into him or couldnt help it????? Hmmmmm.

Yep...you are right and the entire press corp and the FIA and the independant racing standards judge and just about everyone else who actually saw the event are wrong.....aren't they?

It's a conspiracy against all things British..... another attempt to put McLaren back into their box....isn't it?

God wake up and realise that it's a big boy's sport....for the final time.....it was a racing incident.

I know it was, Ive said so. No its no conspiracy, where did that come form?? If Mark did it deliberately he did it on his own, a conspiracy needs conspiorators. It was a racing incident. I was questinoning the possibility of intent behind it, and thats a clear possibility. But argue all you like, lewis had the line.

[hounddub]

Yep...you agree...it was a racing incident.....BUT...."Lewis had the line".

Not really giving up on that one are we?....and that's the clearest thing you've written.

[racechick]

Yep...you agree...it was a racing incident.....BUT...."Lewis had the line".

Not really giving up on that one are we?....and that's the clearest thing you've written.

Nope, sorry, not giving up on that one.

[hounddub]

Yep...you agree...it was a racing incident.....BUT...."Lewis had the line".

Not really giving up on that one are we?....and that's the clearest thing you've written.

Nope, sorry, not giving up on that one.

So let me get it summarised from your perspective.

1. It was a racing incident
2. Lewis had the line
3. Lewis is NOT to blame
4. But it's a racing incident.....so there's no-one to blame?

[racechick]

Yep...you agree...it was a racing incident.....BUT...."Lewis had the line".

Not really giving up on that one are we?....and that's the clearest thing you've written.

Nope, sorry, not giving up on that one.

So let me get it summarised from your perspective.

1. It was a racing incident
2. Lewis had the line
3. Lewis is NOT to blame
4. But it's a racing incident.....so there's no-one to blame?

Why do you have a problem with that? Im being generous with point 4 but will acceot it could be the case.