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[stonemonkey]

Read my post further up that vaptin was replying to, Webber is sticking to his position as he's entitled to and leaving it up to the other guy to cause a collision by turning in on his nose and it looks like he might be using their blind spot.

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[texasmr2]

The season will be over and this debate will still be brewing ! Simple fact is, and I will reachout for anyone here who has actually raced ANYTHING, too explain why it was Webbers fault in ANY WAY!! In racing it is down to the car/driver trying for the pass to make it clean. Hamilton tried for the outside which was awesome as he is so aggressive and exciting but Webber had the line so it was HIS choice on how to defend his position, really this is not rocket science it's very fundamental.

[stonemonkey]

Try to read my posts tex instead of assuming that i'm trying to find fault with webber.

[texasmr2]

Try to read my posts tex instead of assuming that i'm trying to find fault with webber.

I was just offering my opinion and not trying to find fault in anyones opinion.

[bud]

Webber had the line

No he didnt

[Hammer278]

The season will be over and this debate will still be brewing ! Simple fact is, and I will reachout for anyone here who has actually raced ANYTHING, too explain why it was Webbers fault in ANY WAY!! In racing it is down to the car/driver trying for the pass to make it clean. Hamilton tried for the outside which was awesome as he is so aggressive and exciting but Webber had the line so it was HIS choice on how to defend his position, really this is not rocket science it's very fundamental.

Do you race anything? Please don't mention PS3 or the like. I race karts every week but that doesn't mean I'm so qualified to question others racing knowledge. But Lewis HAD THE LINE. Webber was pushed offline, he knew it but he pushed the issue and punted Lewis out.

In Monza, I'm sure you will readily agree Lewis was at fault. Well, in Singapore, Lewis was Massa and Webber was Lewis. Get the drift? (pun intended)

[samie]

It is more a matter of risk taking. Why would you risk everything to gain a few points when you are ahead in the general stats? That is just crumbling under pressure. That has been lewis downfall since day one. When it gets hot, lewis fumbles. There are plenty of examples of him blowing it when he had everything going for him.

He is a great pilot, but he needs some ice on his head. Cant risk that much, all the time.

[Hexagram]

Webber had the line

No he didnt

Neither of them had "the line" Webber just had a worse one than Hamilton and Hamilton expected Webber not to be in his one.

For me this comes down to the simple fact that Webber is hard to pass, he doesn't back down. I love his style.

[bud]

Webber had the line

No he didnt

Neither of them had "the line" Webber just had a worse one than Hamilton and Hamilton expected Webber not to be in his one.

For me this comes down to the simple fact that Webber is hard to pass, he doesn't back down. I love his style.

Actually Hamilton was on the racing line.

[schumifan]

Webber had the line

No he didnt

Neither of them had "the line" Webber just had a worse one than Hamilton and Hamilton expected Webber not to be in his one.

For me this comes down to the simple fact that Webber is hard to pass, he doesn't back down. I love his style.

Actually Hamilton was on the racing line.

I agree that Hamilton had the line. Going into that corner, the racing line is on the right side against the wall, where Hamilton was. To be honest, I think this was an incident but if they imposed a drive through on Vettel at Spa, then they should have on Webber. I think Vettel just lost control in the Vettel/Button incident, but Webber had the control to ease up to save both cars. The inconsistency between each race due to different "guest" judges only makes problems. If we had the same judge at Spa and Singapore, it would have been either both get a drive through or no penalty for either.

[kerc]

The season will be over and this debate will still be brewing ! Simple fact is, and I will reachout for anyone here who has actually raced ANYTHING, too explain why it was Webbers fault in ANY WAY!! In racing it is down to the car/driver trying for the pass to make it clean. Hamilton tried for the outside which was awesome as he is so aggressive and exciting but Webber had the line so it was HIS choice on how to defend his position, really this is not rocket science it's very fundamental.

Do you race anything? Please don't mention PS3 or the like. I race karts every week but that doesn't mean I'm so qualified to question others racing knowledge. But Lewis HAD THE LINE. Webber was pushed offline, he knew it but he pushed the issue and punted Lewis out.

In Monza, I'm sure you will readily agree Lewis was at fault. Well, in Singapore, Lewis was Massa and Webber was Lewis. Get the drift? (pun intended)

This.

[scotty]

Read my post further up that vaptin was replying to, Webber is sticking to his position as he's entitled to and leaving it up to the other guy to cause a collision by turning in on his nose and it looks like he might be using their blind spot.

Meh, i think that accident was completely different to the one on Sunday - Webber said himself he just misjudged the dirty air effect and so missed his proper braking point. I can't believe he didn't get a drive through really, or at least some form of bollocking.

As for Turkey, Vettel just plain drove into Webber. That can clearly be seen on that video you posted.

[vaptin]

Read my post further up that vaptin was replying to, Webber is sticking to his position as he's entitled to and leaving it up to the other guy to cause a collision by turning in on his nose and it looks like he might be using their blind spot.

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Webber was being aggressive by not conceding potion at that point, but Hamilton could've anticipated that and not cut in too much. There's blame for both in Singapore IMO, Turkey was more Vettel's fault (lost close control) and Australia was Webber's fault.

[stonemonkey]

Read my post further up that vaptin was replying to, Webber is sticking to his position as he's entitled to and leaving it up to the other guy to cause a collision by turning in on his nose and it looks like he might be using their blind spot.

Meh, i think that accident was completely different to the one on Sunday - Webber said himself he just misjudged the dirty air effect and so missed his proper braking point. I can't believe he didn't get a drive through really, or at least some form of bollocking.

As for Turkey, Vettel just plain drove into Webber. That can clearly be seen on that video you posted.

The Australian crash came just after he'd done this

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then

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And watch what he does as Hamilton gets ahead of him in China, what would've happened if Hamilton had started to move just slightly towards the outside approaching the hairpin?

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And singapore

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I don't know what it is exactly but I'm convinced Webber is playing some game here.

[vaptin]

It appears Webber doesn't want to do his "fair share" of moving and giving ground in wheel to wheel racing, though from the looks of that first video Hamilton turned into Webber,

the other incidents don't change how the incident in Singapore played out.