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By racechick
#216111
Alonso-psychologically unstable, unable to cope with fast team mate-screwed the team over


Pretty insulting and unnecessary


Factual. He took a motor-home door off when Lewis went quicker. He still has a thing about Lewis which interferes with his racing. He blackmailed his team. And all because Lewis went fast :shrug: How else should that be said. Psychology is part of racing. They have sports psychologists in the teams , so its no good pretending it doesn't happen.Some drivers cope better than others. Kimi copes well Alonso doesn't.


So your stating that Alonso "took a motor-home door off" - well, I'm calling you out - provide proof. You've stated this is a fact - provide the actual evidence. No hearsay - hard, concrete proof - because you've stated this is a "fact"

Another pretty nasty and unwarranted attack on him with the "blackmail" comment. He and Pedro sent the emails which were evidence of cheating, to the correct authorities. He wasn't the only whistle blower, I mentioned Pedro and there was also Kimi who revealed how, during his years at McLaren, they used listening/de-scrambling devices to listen in to Ferrari's private communications.

The one thing I can say in Fernando and Lewis's favor is that they don't seem to need to take their battles anywhere but the track.


Scroll down to China GP and you'll find your evidence.
http://www.enterf1.com/f1/Lewis-Hamilto ... ivalry.asp

This is it? This is what you've offering as "proof" of a fact? A blog of a 3rd person hearsay by someone who wasn't ever there? Please tell me that you don't accept that as the measure of fact/truth. So the truth about this is it is not a fact, as you claimed but you repeating a blog of hearsay. I think there's a blog somewhere that reports that Elvis is alive and well, in Adelaide I believe - is that also a fact according to you?

It wasnt whistle blowing. He used blackmail. "Give me what I want or I tell"
On hearing what he was up to it was actually Ron who told the FIA.

I'm calling you out again - proof (and by proof, I mean real actual concrete proof) please no more blogs of hearsay. What did he demand? And prove your claim that Fernando linked that demand in some way to what he would do with the evidence he had of McLaren's cheating.


These were all pretty well known facts at the time. How much evidence do you want? Of course I wasnt in the gararge when it happend, its always going to be 3rd person. You say theres no evidence, I give it you and you refute it. Those were all things that happened in that link I gave you. Ok I'll find more but you'll not be satisfied because it doesnt fit with what you want to believe.
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By spankyham
#216113
These were all pretty well known facts at the time. How much evidence do you want? Of course I wasnt in the gararge when it happend, its always going to be 3rd person. You say theres no evidence, I give it you and you refute it. Those were all things that happened in that link I gave you. Ok I'll find more but you'll not be satisfied because it doesnt fit with what you want to believe.


They are not facts. Stop calling them facts. They are "hearsay". It might even be often repeated "hearsay". If you want to repeat it again, then, call it what it is - "hearsay".
"I read that someone heard that Fernando broke a motor-home door ... "
I haven't refuted any facts, because you have not presented any facts. All you've done is called some hearsay a "fact" and you think that somehow magically turns it into a fact or the truth.
By Bubbie
#216116
You guys are trying to change the subject I see. A telling sign of imminent defeat :yes:
Well since you only just realise that this was a fight that Button cannot win You can jump ship and join us. We all win that way. I mean my heart just can't bear the feeling of pity for the Button's fans after the season is done... All the tears. Lets just all turn into Hamilton fans. How does that sound?

Wow, it must suck to be you. So much self-doubt about your opinion you need constant re-enforcement to maintain it. Listen pally, if you seriously think it's going to seriously upset any of Button's fans when Lewis comes out on top in the 3+ years of their pairing, you're out of your fragile mind. What is it with you Hamilton fanboys and your inexplicable hatred for Jenson Button? You are aware aren't you that Lewis likes Jenson, and indeed looked up to him for years earlier in his career? Are you so insecure about Lewis's ability that you have to attack any threat to his dominance?


Fixed that for you.
By Hammer278
#216120
These were all pretty well known facts at the time. How much evidence do you want? Of course I wasnt in the gararge when it happend, its always going to be 3rd person. You say theres no evidence, I give it you and you refute it. Those were all things that happened in that link I gave you. Ok I'll find more but you'll not be satisfied because it doesnt fit with what you want to believe.


They are not facts. Stop calling them facts. They are "hearsay". It might even be often repeated "hearsay". If you want to repeat it again, then, call it what it is - "hearsay".
"I read that someone heard that Fernando broke a motor-home door ... "
I haven't refuted any facts, because you have not presented any facts. All you've done is called some hearsay a "fact" and you think that somehow magically turns it into a fact or the truth.


Man I think you need to review 75% of your posts in this forum, as you present "hearsay" as facts as well. Please don't ask me to point them out, it will take me the whole day to compile them.
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By scotty
#216136
Jeez you guys really don't need to have the same argument in about 3 different threads, you get me? :director::deadhorse:
By vaptin
#216137
You guys are trying to change the subject I see. A telling sign of imminent defeat :yes:
Well since you only just realise that this was a fight that Button cannot win You can jump ship and join us. We all win that way. I mean my heart just can't bear the feeling of pity for the Button's fans after the season is done... All the tears. Lets just all turn into Hamilton fans. How does that sound?


Yeah, believe it or not some of us dicuss things in f1 that are pretty much unrelated to Lewis Hamilton, admittedly it wasn't on topic but I don't think the mods minded, heck the change from the usual drivel here probably stopped them scooping their brains out.

I don't support Jenson, I just don't see why you can't wait until the end of the season (and don't love Lewis as much as you), if I had the inclination I could see what any of you Hamilton fanboys were saying before Monza?

But seriously, support Hamilton, but why not just enjoy f1 as a whole? Why all this venom for Jenson? When he does good in f1, why don't you see that as good?
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By texasmr2
#216140
You guys are trying to change the subject I see. A telling sign of imminent defeat :yes:
Well since you only just realise that this was a fight that Button cannot win You can jump ship and join us. We all win that way. I mean my heart just can't bear the feeling of pity for the Button's fans after the season is done... All the tears. Lets just all turn into Hamilton fans. How does that sound?


Yeah, believe it or not some of us dicuss things in f1 that are pretty much unrelated to Lewis Hamilton, admittedly it wasn't on topic but I don't think the mods minded, heck the change from the usual drivel here probably stopped them scooping their brains out.

I don't support Jenson, I just don't see why you can't wait until the end of the season (and don't love Lewis as much as you), if I had the inclination I could see what any of you Hamilton fanboys were saying before Monza?

But seriously, support Hamilton, but why not just enjoy f1 as a whole? Why all this venom for Jenson? When he does good in f1, why don't you see that as good?

:clap::drink:
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By racechick
#216151
Scroll down to China GP and you'll find your evidence.
http://www.enterf1.com/f1/Lewis-Hamilto ... ivalry.asp

Not come across this before, racechick. Thanks for the link. No love lost there, although it was probably written to emphasise the negative!


Im pretty certain the incident happened, Ive seen it referred to too many times for it to be untrue.....but you're right people will use that incident to their advantage. As I guess I just did :wink:
By vaptin
#216175
Scroll down to China GP and you'll find your evidence.
http://www.enterf1.com/f1/Lewis-Hamilto ... ivalry.asp

Not come across this before, racechick. Thanks for the link. No love lost there, although it was probably written to emphasise the negative!


Im pretty certain the incident happened, Ive seen it referred to too many times for it to be untrue.....but you're right people will use that incident to their advantage. As I guess I just did :wink:


I dunno, I heard the Ferrari are planning a b-spec car pre-season referred to alot as well, and that was untrue.
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By racechick
#216179
Scroll down to China GP and you'll find your evidence.
http://www.enterf1.com/f1/Lewis-Hamilto ... ivalry.asp

Not come across this before, racechick. Thanks for the link. No love lost there, although it was probably written to emphasise the negative!


Im pretty certain the incident happened, Ive seen it referred to too many times for it to be untrue.....but you're right people will use that incident to their advantage. As I guess I just did :wink:


I dunno, I heard the Ferrari are planning a b-spec car pre-season referred to alot as well, and that was untrue.


Thats different. thats something that might have been going to happeneing but didnt. The things I said happened.
By vaptin
#216180
Hmm, slightly tricky, I suppose its much harder to predict the future planning of an f1 team, but still, could be inaccurate. Made up by some source, then others quoted it and snowballed. Was is reported anywhere "reputable?"
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