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[spankyham]

Motoracing should not be confused with team sports such as football basketball etc, I wouldn't really call Adrian Newey a sportsman though he is a part of the team. They are totally different things! F1 and motorsport in general is about everyone putting their efforts together so one guy, only one can drive as fast as possible around the track!

Sorry mate, no amount of saying it will take the word Team out of any of the current "teams". And no amount of denial will stop it being a team sport. If they were only interested in making one car go fast as possible around the track they'd only have one car, but in case you missed it, they have two cars

P.S. Adrian might be offended at your swipe at him not being a sportsman, especially after his accident on track just a few weeks ago
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[bud]

Sorry only one guy can drive a car around the track it's an individual sport!

[spankyham]

Sorry only one guy can drive a car around the track it's an individual sport!

That 2nd team car is an illusion, or perhaps this is Bernie's way of creating 3D for F1 telecast viewers, we'll all be offered special glasses on sale at the F1 website and suddenly those two per team cars will merge into a single 3D vehicle?

[vaptin]

The fact that the fans won't stand for obvious team orders except as a norm pretty much self policies the rule to making a team think carefully about it (Ferrari learnt that lesson in 01). Of course it could just make the teams perform it more subtly, but thats able to get by both the fans and the FIA so a blanket rule doesn't help there.

I repeat, I liked the old rule, and see nothing wrong with it, it accepts sometimes teams will feel they have to back only one driver for the championship, but stops it going overboard and can't see why it was scrapped.

Teams won't really go overboard anyway, in the majority of cases its better to have both their drivers going all out for the championship.

[bud]

Sorry only one guy can drive a car around the track it's an individual sport!

That 2nd team car is an illusion, or perhaps this is Bernie's way of creating 3D for F1 telecast viewers, we'll all be offered special glasses on sale at the F1 website and suddenly those two per team cars will merge into a single 3D vehicle?

F1 is not a team sport in the way football is. Everyone on that team has the same goal. To win the premiership. Are you saying Massas goal at the start of a season is to get Alonso the drivers title? youre kidding yourself. But if its all about teams i suggest we get rid of the drivers title as its worthless otherwise.

[vaptin]

Sorry only one guy can drive a car around the track it's an individual sport!

That 2nd team car is an illusion, or perhaps this is Bernie's way of creating 3D for F1 telecast viewers, we'll all be offered special glasses on sale at the F1 website and suddenly those two per team cars will merge into a single 3D vehicle?

F1 is not a team sport in the way football is. Everyone on that team has the same goal. To win the premiership. Are you saying Massas goal at the start of a season is to get Alonso the drivers title? youre kidding yourself. But if its all about teams i suggest we get rid of the drivers title as its worthless otherwise.

His goal is to win a WDC for Ferrari, of course mostly that will be by winning races himself.

[spankyham]

Sorry only one guy can drive a car around the track it's an individual sport!

That 2nd team car is an illusion, or perhaps this is Bernie's way of creating 3D for F1 telecast viewers, we'll all be offered special glasses on sale at the F1 website and suddenly those two per team cars will merge into a single 3D vehicle?

F1 is not a team sport in the way football is. Everyone on that team has the same goal. To win the premiership. Are you saying Massas goal at the start of a season is to get Alonso the drivers title? youre kidding yourself. But if its all about teams i suggest we get rid of the drivers title as its worthless otherwise.

His goal is to win a WDC for Ferrari, of course mostly that will be by winning races himself.

I would say his goal is always, every race, for the team to win.
After that is achieved, he, and the team, can pursue individual accolades and awards, just as in other team sports.

[bud]

Sorry only one guy can drive a car around the track it's an individual sport!

That 2nd team car is an illusion, or perhaps this is Bernie's way of creating 3D for F1 telecast viewers, we'll all be offered special glasses on sale at the F1 website and suddenly those two per team cars will merge into a single 3D vehicle?

F1 is not a team sport in the way football is. Everyone on that team has the same goal. To win the premiership. Are you saying Massas goal at the start of a season is to get Alonso the drivers title? youre kidding yourself. But if its all about teams i suggest we get rid of the drivers title as its worthless otherwise.

His goal is to win a WDC for Ferrari, of course mostly that will be by winning races himself.

Thats right his goal.

[f1ea]

It is a difficult line in the TEAM vs INDIVIDUAL aspect of F1. Both are important. But:

Team A will always be team A. With driver x, y, z... individuals come and go. The team remains. They hire their drivers and their crew; they build them their cars and provide the strategies designed around each member's individual possibilities and the team's goals.

The team pursues the best result for the team, and then for the individuals. Each individual wants the best results for himself and then the team, and this is not to blame. But the team is the one to draw the line. Never will it be the individual. In no team. A team may choose it will use a certain strategy for their drivers... whatever it may be, the team chooses it. if the drivers dont agree, they are in a tough match against the team; one which almost always is a lost battle.

The teams decide what role their contracted personnel should be doing. Ask Kimi.
It doesnt have to always be pleasing to the drivers (ask de la Rosa, Karun chandhok), nor to the universe of fans.
The teams decide what strategy they want to use for their drivers. They have the policy THEY choose, the drivers adjust to it, no option.

The team principals are also not there to gamble. They are there to make important decisions with the information at hand. They will make them, to the best of their knowledge, always in the interest of the team.

[vaptin]

Sorry only one guy can drive a car around the track it's an individual sport!

That 2nd team car is an illusion, or perhaps this is Bernie's way of creating 3D for F1 telecast viewers, we'll all be offered special glasses on sale at the F1 website and suddenly those two per team cars will merge into a single 3D vehicle?

F1 is not a team sport in the way football is. Everyone on that team has the same goal. To win the premiership. Are you saying Massas goal at the start of a season is to get Alonso the drivers title? youre kidding yourself. But if its all about teams i suggest we get rid of the drivers title as its worthless otherwise.

His goal is to win a WDC for Ferrari, of course mostly that will be by winning races himself.

Thats right his goal.

Yes, his goal for Ferrari to win the championships, he'd rather win it himself than Alonso, but sometimes the team feel they aren't in a position to support both and need to make tough decisions.

[bud]

how can Ferrari win a drivers championship exactly?

[vaptin]

how can Ferrari win a drivers championship exactly?

One of their drivers will win it, who represents the team, but of course the team as a whole aims to try and win it.

[What's Burning?]

semantics, the meaning varies based on the point of view. The word association is a better suited description from the driver's perspective. The word stable or scuderia to put in in a more understandable way for the Tifosi is better suited for the constructor.

The drivers have a single goal, a part of which also benefits the constructor, conversely the constructor has two goals one of which they'll gladly abandon if they feel the other is unattainable even if it interferes with the primary goal of a driver.

One will see itself as a property owner, the other will see itself as the talent. Different points of view.

As AKR, my favorite Ferrari Tifosi on this forum pointed out, in the words of Enzo, "When Ferrari wins, the cars win, When Ferrari loses, the Drivers lose". That's the view of a stable owner.

[spankyham]

how can Ferrari win a drivers championship exactly?

If a team goes to win every race and come second every race. That the goal of the "team". Both drivers do all they can for the team to achieve this goal. Irrespective of whether they are the winner or not.
Given the teams strategy is successful, then pretty much any elementary school students can do the math and work out that no-one could possibly beat them for the WCC and one of their driver would also have to be WDC.

[bud]

The drivers have a single goal, a part of which also benefits the constructor

someone here has some smarts