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[darwin dali]

Good job Mikep99. I've never looked at the WCC in this way.

[bud]

126 more grand Prix than McLaren and 254 more than Williams!

Yes that’s right but the above data speaks for itself.
The periods each team was competing against each other, Ferrari is out in front.

Your reasoning is that if the new Force India team wins the WCC next year they will be the most successful team every because Ferrari had 758 Grand Prix to Force India's 17 Grand Prix's.

Yeh that sounds like bud logic

haha thats way off the mark mate! youre reaching again! kinda like defacing my avatar! pathetic!!!
The greater the Grands Prix entered the greater your chances of success. There are equations you could sum up to work out who is the most successful team! Grand Prix entered against Grand Prix won points titles the list goes on.

for the simple folk the easy way is the above list you showed! so by all means continue to live in your Ferrari magical wonderful world!

[Woodchip]

Bud... bad news...

I've just worked out points per race entry and those bloody red cars are on top again!!

2.73 - Ferrari
2.67 - McLaren
2.33 - Williams
2.23 - Renault

A friend of mine always uses the quote "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics". You can always create a reason to back up the most random of stats. Being able to get Minardi as the most succesful team might be a struggle though.

[Ron Dennis]

But McLaren were the most successful Formula 1 team in the 20th century - something Ferrari can never take away - regardless of Ferrari running many more races - McLaren won more WDC's than any other team - and as we all know (but I am sure a few Reds will argue against) the WDC is THE most important title - success is measured by winning it.

[bud]

Bud... bad news...

I've just worked out points per race entry and those bloody red cars are on top again!!

2.73 - Ferrari
2.67 - McLaren
2.33 - Williams
2.23 - Renault

A friend of mine always uses the quote "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics". You can always create a reason to back up the most random of stats. Being able to get Minardi as the most succesful team might be a struggle though.

Yes as i knew it would but its alot closer to what the wizard of OZ would like us to believe!!!
wonder if the 209 points McLaren won this year were taken into account for that

[Woodchip]

So why does Ron care more about the WCC than the WDC?

[Woodchip]

Bud... bad news...

I've just worked out points per race entry and those bloody red cars are on top again!!

2.73 - Ferrari
2.67 - McLaren
2.33 - Williams
2.23 - Renault

A friend of mine always uses the quote "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics". You can always create a reason to back up the most random of stats. Being able to get Minardi as the most succesful team might be a struggle though.

Yes as i knew it would but its alot closer to what the wizard of OZ would like us to believe!!!
wonder if the 209 points McLaren won this year were taken into account for that

Valid point...

2.84 - McLaren
2.73 - Ferrari
2.33 - Williams

Read it and weap FIAt fan boy!! Only through the law courts can Ferrari ever be the best at anything.







Light blue touch paper and run like beejesus!!!

[Ron Dennis]

So why does Ron care more about the WCC than the WDC?

I have no idea, but if he does (links please) then he is in the minority

do you remember Falvios comments when chasing the WDC with Alonso - he more or less said he did not give a crap about it

[deMuRe]

Good job Mikep99. I've never looked at the WCC in this way.

I'll second that.

Looking at certain time periods is a complete sham, and it's clutching at straws. Which is all McLaren fans have to clutch to these days.

Ferrari have been able to keep it alive in F1 longer then anyone else, which is a hard thing to do. Teams come and go but Ferrari have stood the test of time.

These McLaren fools are turning me into a Ferrari supporter, I'm finding myself constantly jumping to Ferrari's defences because I simply can't let logic so flawed be posted without a response.

[Ron Dennis]

Good job Mikep99. I've never looked at the WCC in this way.

I'll second that.

Looking at certain time periods is a complete sham, and it's clutching at straws. Which is all McLaren fans have to clutch to these days.

Ferrari have been able to keep it alive in F1 longer then anyone else, which is a hard thing to do. Teams come and go but Ferrari have stood the test of time.

These McLaren fools are turning me into a Ferrari supporter, I'm finding myself constantly jumping to Ferrari's defences because I simply can't let logic so flawed be posted without a response.

Oh dear

My mom always told me, if you cant say anything nice about someone, dont say anything at all......

[McLaren Fan]

Using the official site for each team I've worked out the number of race wins, world drivers', and world constructors' titles per each team's time in the sport. As the points system has changed so many times over the years it's a very dubious way of stating who is the most successful team ever. The results are to four decimal points.

McLaren:

Victories per Grand Prix Entry:

631 Grands Prix contested/155 victories = 4.0709

World Drivers' Championships won per seasons competed in:

41 seasons contested/11 victories = 3.7272

World Constructors' Championships per seasons competed in:

41 contested 10 victories = 4.1 OR 41 seasons contested/8 victories = 5.125

Ferrari:

Victories per Grand Prix Entry:

758 Grands Prix contested/201 victories = 3.771

World Drivers' Championships won per seasons competed in:

57 seasons contested/15 victories = 3.8

World Constructors' Championships per seasons competed in:

49 contested 15 victories = 3.2666 OR 49 seasons contested/13 victories = 3.7692
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Given the political influence of Formula One, I think it's reasonable to use the second set of figures pertaining to the constructors' title. Therefore, McLaren have more victories per Grand Prix entry, regardless of your views on the politics of the sport; Ferrari are first in terms of more drivers’ titles being won per season entered, again, regardless of the politics; If you believe, as I do, that McLaren really have ten constructors’ titles, they are first. If you believe McLaren have only eight Ferrari are the most successful in that department.

[Ron Dennis]

i think this thread proves that there are three types of lies:-

Lies, damn lies and statistics!

[bud]

Good job Mikep99. I've never looked at the WCC in this way.

Ferrari have been able to keep it alive in F1 longer then anyone else, which is a hard thing to do. Teams come and go but Ferrari have stood the test of time.

Not that hard when FIAT buys out the majority shares way back when all other F1 teams notably in Britain were still all privately owned entrys.

[texasmr2]

i think this thread proves that there are three types of lies:-

Lies, damn lies and statistics!

And statistic's dont lie.

[737flier]

Good job Mikep99. I've never looked at the WCC in this way.

I'll second that.

Looking at certain time periods is a complete sham, and it's clutching at straws.

Really, so a season with 5 races is the same as one with 19....???