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Who will win the championship?

Mark Webber
16
36%
Lewis Hamilton
12
27%
Fernando Alonso
8
18%
Sebastian Vettel
7
16%
Jenson Button
1
2%
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By ivey
#215096
Now as we're out of Europe and heading to Asia with 5 races remaining, who do you see as the winner?

For me right now, Alonso has the best chance as Ferrari will be strong in upcoming races and Red Bulls' reliability and tactics have really baffled me this season. After him I'd rank Vettel and Hamilton but Alonso has a slim advantage in my eyes.
#215099
I still cannot honestly call it from the top 5. I don't think it'll be Button though.

Mark Webber is obviously in the strongest position, but based on this season that doesn't mean all that much!!
#215100
(ranked by most likely with comment)
1.Mark Webber providing Redbull sort out their tactics, starts and reliability issues. But that car is simply fantastic, and Vettel will make too many mistakes.
2. Alonso, he's driving like the "real" Alonso again and Ferrari look much calmer as a whole now, with Massa also helping to fill up the high scoring points I think they'll be the team to capitalise on any Redbull mistakes and take the wins.
3. Hamilton, been driving very well, but I just don't think the Mclaren will keep pace with the Ferrari and Redbull, also think he'll have a bigger problem with team mate taking points of him than Alonso.
#215101
I still think it's between Mark Webber and Lewis Hamilton; although I hope that Jenson Button can sneak up on the pair of them and snatch the title from under their noses!
#215106
I think the top five are still in it. My rankings of who I am betting to win are as follows...

1 - Vettel
2 - Webber
3 - Alonso
4 - Hamilton
5 - Button

Vettel I think still has a good chance as he is very fast. If he can get out to an early lead in these races, he can dominate. He also does a fantastic job in quali. But if he is in the traffic, then it is trouble for him. He is currently the lowest of the five, but I think he can still turn it up and come home in the lead.

Webber likewise does very well in the RedBull, and as much as i like the guy, I still can't put him at the top of the list - even though he is leading the WDC. If at the next race we see that the RedBull has indeed lost it's wings (Spa and Monza aren't indicative of it's true abilities) then it switches to an Alonso / Hamilton contest with Alonso in the lead.

Alonso has really turned the wick up and Ferrari as well have been doing a fantastic job to get back into winning form. He has a very good chance of winning the title.

I worry about the McLarens. I would say they are the team I most want to win, but I worry about the pace of the McLaren over the remaining races. Button may be able to squeak in with some good podiums, but he needs to really switch it on. A great drive in Monza, but terrible luck at Spa which most likely sealed his fate - the same but reverse for Hamilton.

A very exciting year for sure.
#215115
I think not being at the front really :censored: these guys' heads.
Alonso has had a great race, but i dont think its time yet to say he's (and Ferrari) recovered...

They are under big pressure, because for example Alonso feels he has no excuse. He's out to win the championship, and if the car is not the best (which it isnt) he still feels he has to be the one coming up with the win.

I think this has cost him some peace of mind. The same sort of peace that made Lewis crash into Massa, and Vettel into everyone...... the same peace of mind that Jenson seems to not care about!! Stefano has been a very calming voice to Fernando, which is great, but i still feel Ferrari has been lacking a bit of nailing the races and keeping cool when things go wacky; as Mclaren has done so well in the past seasons.

This is the key to Ferrari's championship. if they are able to remain calm, they are in. Otherwise, the best car or the most consistent guys will take it. Hard to tell though.......
#215117
That's what I wanted to see - whether people see the same drivers being in the strongest position but as we see practically everyone have different opinions. My gut just tells me that Webber or Button is not winning it.
#215122
i would like to see hamilton or button win it, but at the moment its so tight, its just mighty impossible to say!!
#215128
For me, there are 5 factors, that will determine the current WDC will be the current points, car, team, strategies and drivers. The winner will have the best combination of these over the next 5 races. The current points is a known factor so not much to be said there. other than Mark and Lewis have significant advantages over Fernando, Jenson and Seb.

Next we need to compare the cars. The RB is the best package for an overall fast lap, this is mostly due to aerodynamic grip. But, the car has proven itself slightly brittle, particularly brakes and, the Renault engine is a little down on power compared to the others. The McLaren, for me is actually the fastest car, but lets itself down on the aero side. What's more, the rear suspension configuration has really meant the blown diffuser was never going to work properly and deliver anything like it does for the other teams. As far as the car goes, Ferrari started the season in 3rd place really. Overall it was a huge step forward on the F60, and it was competitive, but, just not quite there. At the start of the year, the F10's trump was how kind it was to its tyres. But its trump was its enemy in qualifying, Fernando and Felipe just couldn't get enough heat into the tyres in 2 or 3 laps to put out their best times. However, over the season, the Ferrari team has probably produced the best upgrades - overall. Their gaps between the 3 cars are way less now. Don't believe the talk that McLaren will suddenly drop off for the remaining races, sure, they won't have the perfect tracks for their car (although I do think Korea will suit the McLaren) but the MP4-25 will be right up there.

In the "team" department I think there is a clear leader, and it isn't based on how friendly and buddy-buddy people appear in the media - unfortunately, that won't win races. The leader is clearly Ferrari, what's more, most of their advantage has been handed to them by the British press and the Team Orders fiasco. Ferrari have established, a team ethos and it will operate for the rest of the year. McLaren on the other hand, are stuck with actually having to live up to their media - a real albatross for them. RB are in the same position as McLaren, but probably to a lesser degree as Horner has seen this coming and has tried to just keep quiet and let McLaren build this rod for thier own backs. Publicly and internally Ferrari have the advantage of feeling they are like a "team" with "team mates" who, just like soccer players, can pass the ball to each other depending on who is in the best position to win. McLaren, and to a lesser degree RBR just can't do that now, they have to go solo - lone dogs, and, they know if they do try any team orders their will be howls of hypocrisy against them.

Leads us to strategies - RBR, to me, have proven themselves lacking in this department over the year. If they had performed reasonably in this department, they would have already wrapped up both titles. Ferrari have had some hits and misses, but they have acted as a team. McLaren have had some excellent strategies, but, they haven't been team based - they have come from Jenson. His side of the garage's tyre choice and pit stops won him two races and his call on the F-Duct at Monza is another example of what I mean.

Lastly we need to look at the drivers. Well all 5 are very good. 3 are already champions. At the risk of the howls (again) of being called a Lewis basher, I still think he and Seb also, push too hard and make too many mistakes. Mark has maturity and knows if he doessn't do it this year, he probably will never be WDC. Fernando knows exactly what needs to be done and is cool and calm. Look at how he handled the abusive media conferences immediately after Germany - there was a massive amount of pressure on him and the team, but he took it in his stride, used it to galvanize the team and actually turned it into a positive for Ferrari. Jenson too is very calculating and cool and calm - essential qualities, I just think that, unfortunately, he just isn't quite there in terms of speed on the track - he may be only 1 or 2 percent down, but it is visible. Lewis has now beaten him 9 to 5 in qualifying and 9 to 5 in races.

So where does that leave us.
Lewis and Mark get a tick for the points lead
RBR get the tick for the car (but only just, for me this was a close category)
Ferrari get a tick on the team front
Ferrari gets a tick for strategy
Fernando and Jenson get the final ticks for drivers (also very very close)

The final yields:-
Mark 2 ticks
Lewis 1 tick
Fernando 3 ticks
Jenson 1 tick
Seb 1 tick

Leaves me with
1st Fernando
2nd Mark
3rd Lewis *
4th Jenson *
5th Seb *
* Same number of ticks so current points decides.
#215130
^^ Hmmm a bit optimistic...

Maybe i'll copy your 'tick' scoring method....

1) STRATEGY
Jenson +1
Alonso +2 (he is getting the team support, he will have the strategies designed around him)
Webber +1
Vettel 0
Lewis 0

2) TEAM
Jenson +2 (Mclaren ussually make no team hiccups)
Lewis +2
Alonso +2 (a few hiccups but support is clearly directed, and they are working very well together)
Webber 0
Vettel 0

3) CAR PERFORMANCE
Webber +2
Vettel +2
Alonso +1
Lewis +1
Jenson +0 (he is in a bit of a disadvantage)

4) CURRENT PTS
Webber +2
Lewis +1
Vettel 0
Alonso 0
Jenson 0

5) PRONE-NESS to mistakes... ie who has been known to tank more races/championships when it counts and/or to deliver when it counts...
Jenson +2
Alonso +1 (would be +2 but he's kinda upsy downsy this yr)
Webber 0
Vettel 0
Lewis 0

TOTAL
Jenson 5
Lewis 4
Alonso 6
Vettel 2
Webber 5

Well, so how 'bout that...... :) I did try to be unbiased.
#215141
For me, there are 5 factors, that will determine the current WDC will be the current points, car, team, strategies and drivers. The winner will have the best combination of these over the next 5 races. The current points is a known factor so not much to be said there. other than Mark and Lewis have significant advantages over Fernando, Jenson and Seb.

Next we need to compare the cars. The RB is the best package for an overall fast lap, this is mostly due to aerodynamic grip. But, the car has proven itself slightly brittle, particularly brakes and, the Renault engine is a little down on power compared to the others. The McLaren, for me is actually the fastest car, but lets itself down on the aero side. What's more, the rear suspension configuration has really meant the blown diffuser was never going to work properly and deliver anything like it does for the other teams. As far as the car goes, Ferrari started the season in 3rd place really. Overall it was a huge step forward on the F60, and it was competitive, but, just not quite there. At the start of the year, the F10's trump was how kind it was to its tyres. But its trump was its enemy in qualifying, Fernando and Felipe just couldn't get enough heat into the tyres in 2 or 3 laps to put out their best times. However, over the season, the Ferrari team has probably produced the best upgrades - overall. Their gaps between the 3 cars are way less now. Don't believe the talk that McLaren will suddenly drop off for the remaining races, sure, they won't have the perfect tracks for their car (although I do think Korea will suit the McLaren) but the MP4-25 will be right up there.

In the "team" department I think there is a clear leader, and it isn't based on how friendly and buddy-buddy people appear in the media - unfortunately, that won't win races. The leader is clearly Ferrari, what's more, most of their advantage has been handed to them by the British press and the Team Orders fiasco. Ferrari have established, a team ethos and it will operate for the rest of the year. McLaren on the other hand, are stuck with actually having to live up to their media - a real albatross for them. RB are in the same position as McLaren, but probably to a lesser degree as Horner has seen this coming and has tried to just keep quiet and let McLaren build this rod for thier own backs. Publicly and internally Ferrari have the advantage of feeling they are like a "team" with "team mates" who, just like soccer players, can pass the ball to each other depending on who is in the best position to win. McLaren, and to a lesser degree RBR just can't do that now, they have to go solo - lone dogs, and, they know if they do try any team orders their will be howls of hypocrisy against them.

Leads us to strategies - RBR, to me, have proven themselves lacking in this department over the year. If they had performed reasonably in this department, they would have already wrapped up both titles. Ferrari have had some hits and misses, but they have acted as a team. McLaren have had some excellent strategies, but, they haven't been team based - they have come from Jenson. His side of the garage's tyre choice and pit stops won him two races and his call on the F-Duct at Monza is another example of what I mean.

Lastly we need to look at the drivers. Well all 5 are very good. 3 are already champions. At the risk of the howls (again) of being called a Lewis basher, I still think he and Seb also, push too hard and make too many mistakes. Mark has maturity and knows if he doessn't do it this year, he probably will never be WDC. Fernando knows exactly what needs to be done and is cool and calm. Look at how he handled the abusive media conferences immediately after Germany - there was a massive amount of pressure on him and the team, but he took it in his stride, used it to galvanize the team and actually turned it into a positive for Ferrari. Jenson too is very calculating and cool and calm - essential qualities, I just think that, unfortunately, he just isn't quite there in terms of speed on the track - he may be only 1 or 2 percent down, but it is visible. Lewis has now beaten him 9 to 5 in qualifying and 9 to 5 in races.

So where does that leave us.
Lewis and Mark get a tick for the points lead
RBR get the tick for the car (but only just, for me this was a close category)
Ferrari get a tick on the team front
Ferrari gets a tick for strategy
Fernando and Jenson get the final ticks for drivers (also very very close)

The final yields:-
Mark 2 ticks
Lewis 1 tick
Fernando 3 ticks
Jenson 1 tick
Seb 1 tick

Leaves me with
1st Fernando
2nd Mark
3rd Lewis *
4th Jenson *
5th Seb *
* Same number of ticks so current points decides.


Thats an awful long post to say you think Fernando will win. :D

Me- cant call it. Head says Webber, heart says Lewis but anything can happen to any of them...as the whole season has already shown.
#215151
For me, there are 5 factors, that will determine the current WDC will be the current points, car, team, strategies and drivers. The winner will have the best combination of these over the next 5 races. The current points is a known factor so not much to be said there. other than Mark and Lewis have significant advantages over Fernando, Jenson and Seb.

...

Thats an awful long post to say you think Fernando will win. :D

We can't say that spankyham isn't thorough and considered in his posts can we? :)

PS: I didn't quote the whole of spankyham's reply because it causes my mouse scroll-wheel to get tired! :hehe:
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