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[Hammer278]

Massa is rubbish in the wet. But he will bring the car home.

Interlagos 2008..? Changeable conditions which required drivers to make a number of good calls and drive well in the wet. Massa won that one in style. Sure is rubbish in the wet...

Ferrari was class of the field and Kimi was playing rear gunner to Massa. All they were doing was going around the track in 1-2 formation with no real pressure from behind from anyone. Massa brought the car home in 'style', and I bet Kimi was bored to death behind him wishing for an icecream.

[Hammer278]

FM did well.
IN THE WET!!
Should shut up those people who made fun of him about his troubles in the wet.

He drove the car around the track and finished the race...everyone who didn't get caught up in an accident managed that.

Well, LH didn't and ended up going on an agricultural excursion and was very fortunate to have gotten back on track

Yes. He made a mistake. Though he was pushing it throughout the whole race, not simply driving around trying to keep it on track. And fortunate or not, he got it back on track and won the race which is what counts in the end.

[darwin dali]

Well, LH didn't and ended up going on an agricultural excursion and was very fortunate to have gotten back on track

What the hell kind of farmer are YOU? Unless you're cultivating weeds, no one plants anything in gravel.

Exactly!

Shhhhh.... you'll get deported.

They don't deport US citizens

[EagleF1-27]

Hamilton drove an impressive race. Great starts have become his hallmark.

When talking about the start; Jenson Button has to be credited; he had a fantastic start; fifth to second in a few corners, shame he must have had some sort of contact as his front wing was damaged which allowed Vettel to get close enough to crash into him.

Think it was more than a slightly damaged front wing endplate that was making Button slower than Vettel. The rear end of his car was very lively.

[scotty]

Hamilton drove an impressive race. Great starts have become his hallmark.

When talking about the start; Jenson Button has to be credited; he had a fantastic start; fifth to second in a few corners, shame he must have had some sort of contact as his front wing was damaged which allowed Vettel to get close enough to crash into him.

Think it was more than a slightly damaged front wing endplate that was making Button slower than Vettel. The rear end of his car was very lively.

He said in an interview post-race that he had to counter his loss of front wing parts by raising the adjustable front wing, which in turn made the rear very twitchy (without actually helping the front end all that much).

[cap-dude]

Massa is rubbish in the wet. But he will bring the car home.

Interlagos 2008..? Changeable conditions which required drivers to make a number of good calls and drive well in the wet. Massa won that one in style. Sure is rubbish in the wet...

Ferrari was class of the field and Kimi was playing rear gunner to Massa. All they were doing was going around the track in 1-2 formation with no real pressure from behind from anyone. Massa brought the car home in 'style', and I bet Kimi was bored to death behind him wishing for an icecream.

Or maybe if you remembered that race better, you'd remember Massa holding off a very light and quick Vettel (back when Vettel was pretty damn good =P ), as well as holding off a quick Alonso. Kimi was a distant 3rd. A distant 16 seconds in fact.

Massa has his ups and downs tbh. But the Ferrari has never been a great car in the wet. It just doesn't generate nearly enough tyre temp in the wet. We even seen Alonso make a hash of Spa this weekend. Plus it was a very cold weekend, again tyre temp. Ferrari just weren't on form. Everything on the other hand played to McLaren's strength this weekend. So I wonder how well they're cars gonna do during the next weekends, and whether or not Lewis can continue his title challenge.

[Flux]

saying ferrari's tyre temp issue's are the reason for alsono getting personal with a wall isn't correct he slid off a wet curb didn't correct in time and span .

oh and the fact massa had a great race, solid drive and no incidents, its alonso's fault nothing else really, he needs to get his head back in the game or all the media controversy and damage to f1's image ferrari have done is for nothing .

[f1ea]

saying ferrari's tyre temp issue's are the reason for alsono getting personal with a wall isn't correct he slid off a wet curb didn't correct in time and span .

oh and the fact massa had a great race, solid drive and no incidents, its alonso's fault nothing else really, he needs to get his head back in the game or all the media controversy and damage to f1's image ferrari have done is for nothing .

Read cap-dude's post.

He says PLUS it was a very cold weekend. In all those words, there was NEVER a hint into stating "Ferrari's tire issues are the reason for alonso getting personal with a wall".

Please.......... not ANOTHER post misinterpreter!!

[Hammer278]

Massa is rubbish in the wet. But he will bring the car home.

Interlagos 2008..? Changeable conditions which required drivers to make a number of good calls and drive well in the wet. Massa won that one in style. Sure is rubbish in the wet...

Ferrari was class of the field and Kimi was playing rear gunner to Massa. All they were doing was going around the track in 1-2 formation with no real pressure from behind from anyone. Massa brought the car home in 'style', and I bet Kimi was bored to death behind him wishing for an icecream.

Or maybe if you remembered that race better, you'd remember Massa holding off a very light and quick Vettel (back when Vettel was pretty damn good =P ), as well as holding off a quick Alonso. Kimi was a distant 3rd. A distant 16 seconds in fact.

Massa has his ups and downs tbh. But the Ferrari has never been a great car in the wet. It just doesn't generate nearly enough tyre temp in the wet. We even seen Alonso make a hash of Spa this weekend. Plus it was a very cold weekend, again tyre temp. Ferrari just weren't on form. Everything on the other hand played to McLaren's strength this weekend. So I wonder how well they're cars gonna do during the next weekends, and whether or not Lewis can continue his title challenge.

Lewis has been in the title challenge through it all, and leads the WDC with a car that was the best on the grid for maybe 2 races this season, maximum. I'm sure he can handle another 6 races without making silly errors like smashing it into the wall for fun ( ) or crashing while overtaking....and the McLaren has been respectable in starts all year while it has proved to be Redbulls Achilles' heel.

[Hammer278]

saying ferrari's tyre temp issue's are the reason for alsono getting personal with a wall isn't correct he slid off a wet curb didn't correct in time and span .

oh and the fact massa had a great race, solid drive and no incidents, its alonso's fault nothing else really, he needs to get his head back in the game or all the media controversy and damage to f1's image ferrari have done is for nothing .

Read cap-dude's post.

He says PLUS it was a very cold weekend. In all those words, there was NEVER a hint into stating "Ferrari's tire issues are the reason for alonso getting personal with a wall".

Please.......... not ANOTHER post misinterpreter!!

Who's the first?

[bud]

Yeah the friday when Alonso was fastestin p1 & p2 was extremely hot

[f1ea]

Yeah the friday when Alonso was fastestin p1 & p2 was extremely hot

Even Alonso cared less about FP. I dont remember anybody saying anything important from this particular FP. I think this was the most ambiguous FP in the whole season.... but hey, in the race he was quite good, until he got hit, and spun, and... took the wrong tires... and........ jinxed Lewis into going off. Ah no that was me, gotta work better on my jinxing. it almost worked!

but Alonso's pace would have almost meant 2-3 pts.......... so, much difference to his cause? nope.
He NEEDS the wins and big pts. Doesnt need the "solid" P5 finishes anymore. Going for consistent pts should have been the mindset at the beg of the season. But now if he crashes out going for it all... its all in the correct strategy. After all, to these guys losing on the WDC for 1pt is the same as losing it for 10.

Vettel: the opposite. lets say... Vettel simply needs a win or two then just hang around, keep out of trouble and hope for Mark to hit a Lotus. Which is the strategy/mind set that Mark is pulling off so well (maybe with some mistakes here and there... but better than Vettel). Thats because the RB is amazing... so Vettel and Webber should be the ones playing it safe.

[What's Burning?]

It hasn't been discussed but Alonso was lucky not to be taken out outright when Barichello hit him. It was a WHACK and a half and the Ferrari got out of it with a puncture! When i looked at the replay, maybe the wheel just took the full brunt of the impact and absorbed it all.

[The Immortal Dragon]

yeah at first I thought Alonso was out as well as Barrichello.
But the tyre/car/whatever absorbed the impact quite nicely.

[Juliet P]

Charlie Whiting has finally noticed that Massa missed his grid spot...

Massa grid error prompts FIA probe

The FIA has launched an investigation into why Felipe Massa was able to start the Belgian Grand Prix slightly ahead of his grid slot without the error getting picked up at the time.

Amateur video footage that appeared on the Internet in the days after the race showed that Massa came to a stop on the grid slightly in front of where he should have been.

Massa's wrong positioning was in theory a breach of the regulations, but FIA race director Charlie Whiting received no information from the marshals at the track that the Brazilian had stopped in the wrong place - and the electronic systems in place on the grid did not detect it either - in time for a jump start penalty to be imposed.

With rival teams unaware of Massa's error, so not complaining to the FIA, the matter was not looked at in any more detail before the Belgian GP results were made official on Sunday night - which means no further action on the incident could be taken.

However, although Massa escaped punishment for what happened, the FIA has promised to look into why the wrong positioning was not picked up at the time.

"The problem was not brought to the attention of the FIA race director by either the marshals nor the automatic jump start system in time to be able to apply the appropriate penalty for jump starts," said an FIA spokeswoman.

"As no further information or complaints were received before the publication of the official result on Sunday night, the classification of the Belgian Grand Prix will now remain unchanged.

"The FIA are investigating the causes of the apparent failures in communication with race control in order to ensure a repetition is not possible."

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