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[Hammer278]

Jenson was 100% innocent, anyone to claim otherwise is crazy...

And yeah, best bit was Mr2times taking himself out of contention, that was simply classic.

Who claimed Jenson was at fault? Did I miss something?

Seriously, McLaren fans are getting way out of hand. Any driver who is involved in any way with a McLaren driver is evil incarnate. Any fan not agreeing is clearly a McLaren hater and loves the team they are talking about. McLaren does nothing wrong. It's gotten about a thousand times worse then any claims about Ferrari fans.

I'm not sure if you missed anything, I just stated a general point. In case anyone was actually thinking Jenson should have waved a magic wand and made himself and his car dissapear so Vettel could continue on his merry little way....

[hipcheck5]

Seriously, McLaren fans are getting way out of hand.

In a couple of hours, when you calm down, you are going to come to a realisation:

Vettel's season is over and Red Bull are probably going to put their eggs in Webber's basket for the remainder of the season.

What does that have to do with my statement?

When did I say anything about Vettel's season or Red Bull or Webber?

Why did you not respond to my question?

Why so defensive?

[Juliet P]

Seriously, McLaren fans are getting way out of hand. Any driver who is involved in any way with a McLaren driver is evil incarnate. Any fan not agreeing is clearly a McLaren hater and loves the team they are talking about. McLaren does nothing wrong. It's gotten about a thousand times worse then any claims about Ferrari fans.

You have just spent four pages posting unnecessarily confrontational and personal posts that are deliberately designed to provoke an argument and have the audacity to say that it is the Mclaren fans who are way out of hand?!?

Oh, the irony.

You all need to calm down a few notches unless you want to attract the attention of the mods and end up sinbinned.

[nish2280]

I dont like this drive through penalty stuff that the stewards are getting up to. Cut a corner and refuse to give the spot back? fine, penalty. Ruin your race and unfortunately someone elses? Should sure as hell not be a penalty.

And it was a simple mistake by vettel, tried for the inside, there was no space so tried for the outside and lost it. He wasnt trying to kill button as you mad McLaren fans believe. Button very clearly wasnt at fault, just minding his own business.

[schumifan]

Jenson Button has just said that it was bone dry at the corner of the incident with Vettel.

Except for all the raindrops on the camera. Quite obvious it was wet

[Hammer278]

I dont like this drive through penalty stuff that the stewards are getting up to. Cut a corner and refuse to give the spot back? fine, penalty. Ruin your race and unfortunately someone elses? Should sure as hell not be a penalty.

And it was a simple mistake by vettel, tried for the inside, there was no space so tried for the outside and lost it. He wasnt trying to kill button as you mad McLaren fans believe. Button very clearly wasnt at fault, just minding his own business.

I agree. I found it pretty stupid that Vettel had a drive through, as his race was affected badly too!

The stewards are basically sending a message: If you want to overtake, get it right. If you get it wrong, we'll f*** you up even more.....this discourages racing in the end.

[Juliet P]

I dont like this drive through penalty stuff that the stewards are getting up to. Cut a corner and refuse to give the spot back? fine, penalty. Ruin your race and unfortunately someone elses? Should sure as hell not be a penalty.

And it was a simple mistake by vettel, tried for the inside, there was no space so tried for the outside and lost it. He wasnt trying to kill button as you mad McLaren fans believe. Button very clearly wasnt at fault, just minding his own business.

Hmm. Do you think the move from Vettel was a realistic, well measured and well thought-through overtake attempt?

[bud]

Vettel shouldnt have really moved in the braking zone which is what caused the collision, and the by the rule book Vettel getting a drive through was correct.

[Juliet P]

Alguesuari's been given a 20 secs penalty for gaining a place by jumping the chicane. He loses the point for 10th place.

[EagleF1-27]

Button says the track was dry, I think he would know better than a certain poster on here who seems to think Vettel didnt make a mistake. The rain on the camera was probably from earlier on in the lap or race.
If you watched the BBC Forum you will have seen Niki Lauda condemning Vettel for his mistake. Is said poster now going to say he knows better than a 3 times world champion?

[The Immortal Dragon]

Vettel shouldnt have really moved in the braking zone which is what caused the collision, and the by the rule book Vettel getting a drive through was correct.

1) that rule is mostly about who is in front, not who is behind. Vettel changed his line once anyway, which is allowed.
2) if he didn't move he would have hit Button from behind, quite simply.

[Arch Stanton]

Vettel 's becoming the drive-through king. McDonalds' interested in sponsorship/endorsement deal.

Vettel would be an awesome rally driver.

[What's Burning?]

OMG, I love SPA. Still digesting it all, while the celebratory orange cranberry scones I'm baking come out of the oven and I digest those.

Kamui Kobayashi, good job.

Vettle... one man wrecking crew.

Lewis, sweat today, that spin before he got the intermediates made my heart stop beating... can't imagine what it did to him.

[Fred_C_Dobbs]

Raindrops on Vettel's camera showed it was raining as the incident happened. After the crash but before he ran off the tarmac, you can see the sheen of water on Vettel's tyres so it wasn't just damp, it was wet (at least in spots) off the racing line.

Here's what I saw happening watching in slo-mo:
Button braked for the corner and Vettel tried to check up. He never got unduly close to Button but he was close enough to upset his downforce. For a second or two before all hell broke loose, Vettel's car already was sliding a bit; his steering inputs weren't always producing a corresponding directional change. I wonder if maybe he was expecting flexi-wing downforce? From the instant it broke loose, Vettel was just a passenger.

Vettel did not steer left, it broke loose at the front and yawed left. He corrected right and the yaw reversed to the right. That the yaw reversed (and the car began to spin right) probably had more to do with the dynamics of a mid-engined car and his suddenly getting out of the throttle as from his steering input. While this was happening, Button was under braking but Vettel was not so Sebastien partially overtook Jenson. Almost instantly after the spin reversed, Vettel put in full opposite (left) lock but the car continued spinning right until he'd speared Button.

More drivers have spun or slid off the circuit this weekend than haven't and I think the drive-thru was more the result of Vettel having turned in to his own teammate at Turkey than his mistake today. I think the stewards saw it as a pattern and jumped to a conclusion rather than fully investigating because I'm fair certain if they'd just examined Vettel's in-car view, they'd have labeled it a simple racing incident. Vettel definitely did not steer into Button, deliberately or otherwise.

[kerc]

Spa, what a wonderful place. I could live through a whole GP year of racing just at that track.

Awesome job from my boy Lewis, although that moment at the gravel had me with China flashbacks! Scary, scary.

Come on, Vettel! What is wrong with you, dude? Let me clear up something: I disagree with the penalty given to him for the Jenson crash. That was a race incident. Still, with that, and then Liuzzi's, it shows a definite desperation, and show that, when trying to pass the quicker cars, he does act like the "parking granny".

Kubica! Awesome job. He's so solid.

Webber...If Lewis doesn't win the championship, I'll be so glad if Webber does!

Massa, well...I guess there might be some karma there.

All in all, excellent race, maybe the best so far?