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[Dj_polly12]

asking if the tests apply to everyone or just redbull and ferrari is a question a 10 year old would ask realy,
Its kind of a dumb question to be honest.
You put redbulls front wing into a wind tunnel it will fail,
People cant be looking at the same vidios im looking at to show the movement of the wing,
Its blatantly moving and breaking the rules knowingly done by red bull,
It amazes me they can so easly get away with it.
Its on tape for god sake, what more convincing do the fia require.
It dont realy need to be tested its allready proven it moves more than 10 mm hence there breaking the rules.
Stupid rule book is broken,


Do you need to see a aliens ID card to proove his from outer space or is the fact his in a flying sauser good enough proof ?
The fia would ask for a id card i think.

It passed the statuary test so it is legal!!! I think it is a case that the test is not stringent enough.

Maybe the FIA should learn from the whole thing and change their tests randomly to stop people building things to pass the test and not the spirit of the rules

Think you just hit the nail on the head there Jabberwocky. Random testing would be a little tricky however.

[Willi_lively]

There is no doubt about the advantage it presents but is it legal or not?
Also, the wing seems to be located too close to the ground, raising the chances of
an unfortunate impact. Or am I wrong?

[Dj_polly12]

http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?showtopic=128351&st=1800

[Gaz]

http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?showtopic=128351&st=1800

thats crazy i don't know why the FIA can't just enforce rules properly.

[Martin g]

It dont need testing realy, its prety clear its breaking the rules.
Put a camera on each of the cars pointing at the wing to measure the amount it drops at high speed,
Simple test pass or fail.

Fixed wing
------------0 / pass
-----------10 --pass----------------Fixed Camera.
-----------20 \ fail
-----------30 . fail
-----------40 . fail
-----------50 . fail
-----------60 . fail
-----------70 . fail ------------Redbull would be here

[f1ea]

asking if the tests apply to everyone or just redbull and ferrari is a question a 10 year old would ask realy,
Its kind of a dumb question to be honest.
You put redbulls front wing into a wind tunnel it will fail,
People cant be looking at the same vidios im looking at to show the movement of the wing,
Its blatantly moving and breaking the rules knowingly done by red bull,
It amazes me they can so easly get away with it.
Its on tape for god sake, what more convincing do the fia require.
It dont realy need to be tested its allready proven it moves more than 10 mm hence there breaking the rules.
Stupid rule book is broken,

Do you need to see a aliens ID card to proove his from outer space or is the fact his in a flying sauser good enough proof ?
The fia would ask for a id card i think.

An element passing the test, needs no more explanation: its legal. That is, until they devise a new test procedure, which all the teams will have to abide by. And even then, it just might well pass the new test as well. Whether people like it or not... whether you can see it flexing or not...

"Its on tape, what more convincing do the fia require"

This is what a 10 yr would say. The FIA requires any element to pass its tests. That's it.
The rule says it should deflect no more than 10mm on a X force, and 20mm on 2X. That's it.
Just so you know, it CAN deflect more than 10mm, the important bit is under what load.

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/1490 ... gsilvy.gif
http://a.imageshack.us/img266/3779/rb2.gif

thats crazy i don't know why the FIA can't just enforce rules properly.

Interesting video cilp there... I actually see the wing moving with the suspension.

[f1ea]

It dont need testing realy, its prety clear its breaking the rules.
Put a camera on each of the cars pointing at the wing to measure the amount it drops at high speed,
Simple test pass or fail.

"It doesnt need testing"
Maybe your simple camera test can be submitted to the FIA as the new test

[Martin g]

we all have eyes,
we all see its not right,
They should just bann the wing instantly without any tests in my opinion,
We can all see its not right.
We dont need to proove its breaking the rules we can all see it is allready.
IQ gone down the last 20 years in F1

[vaptin]

we all have eyes,
we all see its not right,
They should just bann the wing instantly without any tests in my opinion,
We can all see its not right.
We dont need to proove its breaking the rules we can all see it is allready.
IQ gone down the last 20 years in F1

Thats crazy, you gotta make proper tests dude.

[f1ea]

we all have eyes,
we all see its not right,
They should just bann the wing instantly without any tests in my opinion,
We can all see its not right.
We dont need to proove its breaking the rules we can all see it is allready.
IQ gone down the last 20 years in F1

It doesnt matter what we see. They can't just simply ban an element without any tests/proof that its illegal. The only proof of its legality or not is the tests, not what we can or cannot see...

[Martin g]

I dont understand why we have to deny what we see to be the truth, it realy makes no sence to me at all.
We all deny what we can clearly see pffffffffff

yeah your right i suppose but its seems daft realy when its on tape.
We will just have to deny what we see to be the truth :/ and test it if thats what they require.

Its giving red bull a huge amount of extra downforce so there able to take some corners flat out.
Its been designed that way you can tell that from the amount of foils on the ends of the wing.

[myownalias]

We can see that the wing flexes more than others but that doesn't make it's illegal by the parameters of the original test, the new test might show that it's illegal (which I consider to be moving the goalposts and unfair; again stifling innovation) but Red Bull did follow the specification of the original test, it didn't flex more than the amount allowed at the specified downforce level, Red Bull didn't cheat, they took advantage of poor FIA testing!

[Martin g]

stifling innovation
not realy its tech thats allready known about,
They have somthing like this on the new Ferrari 458 but instead of it on the front wing its for the air intake,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyTu1ANnrWA

All related tech realy.

[stonemonkey]

No, not really related, looks to me like the red bull wing is flexing to close the gap between the endplate and the ground giving an increased reduction in air pressure on the underside of the wing by reducing the air circulating around the wingtip more than the endplate alone. Could it be considered in some way to be ground effect?

[Martin g]

well only related as it moves as you go faster,
but it ends there.