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#210861
Schumacher has been unfairly penalised.
What about Kubica entering the pit lane on the inside of Sutil in Canada?
What about Hamilton and Vettel in the pit lane in China?
These incidents resulted in slapped wrists - and Schumacher gets a 10-place grid penalty?
Where is the justice in that?

We must look forward, comrade, instead of dwelling on the past!
But seriously, I'm going to say that they got a much harsher penalty than a "slap on the wrist", with all due respect. I'm sure they were fined a lovely amount. Although I guess a fine could be considered a slap on the wrist. But still, no team (or no person) likes to lose money, especially for a mistake.
I agree, dayummm, 10-place grid penalty is harsh, but in my opinion, what he did was pretty disgusting so he kind of deserves something like that. Plus there are different stewards at different races. They are the almighty ones :angel:


Kubica, Hamilton and Vettel were 'reprimanded' for the incidents mentioned - nothing more.
I guess the comment on different stewards at different races is valid.
Perhaps drivers should pay attention to how far they can push things at different tracks.
SImilar to the way football players/coaches study the referees, to see where they need to be careful.
I don't think the penalty was too harsh - just unballanced.
With so much at stake, there needs to be a way to ensure consistancy.
Over to you, Jean Dodt...

Oh :\ well then. I figured they would have been fined or something. And maybe unbalanced IS a better word.
#210862
Schumacher's incident did look a lot worse to me. Vettel's and Hamilton was in the pit lane, but they were side by side by "accident". Kubcia diddn't have a wall when he cut across Sutil.

I'm pretty sure "reprimands were issued" for those incidents?
#211039
This is the harshest analysis yet:

Will the real Michael Schumacher please stand up...

Off-the-pace, out-of-the-hunt and increasingly a law unto himself out on the racetrack, the Michael Schumacher of 2010 is a pale shadow of his former self. And should he elect to stay put, he could just find 2011 even harder...

And so it has come to this. In a desperate effort to steal the headlines now that he can seemingly no longer do so on pure talent, Michael Schumacher has resorted to risking the lives of his competitors on the evidence of last weekend's Hungarian Grand Prix. Unpalatable as that might sound, to the German legend it is likely a damn site more acceptable than the thought that he squeezed Rubens Barrichello within millimetres of the Hungaroring pit wall merely to secure the final point for a lowly tenth place.

Much has been written and debated about Schumacher's intensely-hyped and even more intensely underwhelming return to top flight competition with Mercedes Grand Prix this season, three years on from his original 'retirement' from F1 at the end of a glittering first career and at the age of 41, making him by more than three years the oldest driver in the present field. Judging by his Budapest madness, with age does not necessarily come wisdom.

Between 1991 and 2006, the Kerpen native tallied no fewer than seven world championship trophies, 91 grand prix victories, 154 podium finishes, 1,369 points and earned himself a reputation for fairly destroying every team-mate that he ever had. Fast forward to 2010, and the most successful driver in the sport's long history no longer looks even so much as a shadow of his former self.

Listless in battle, all-too-often an easy touch – though Barrichello might tell you differently – and a poor ninth in the drivers' standings, he trails young team-mate and compatriot Nico Rosberg by 38 points to 94, and ten-two in qualifying. Since when was the great Michael Schumacher out-qualified ten times during a season by anybody in the same team as him?

Indeed, having called for time and promised that he would get better earlier on in the campaign, in truth he has only got worse – and that despite Mercedes redesigning its car to purposely suit his needs. The last time he began a race from a single-digit grid slot was in Istanbul more than two months ago. Granted, the MGP W01 has hardly been a competitive proposition of late, but still Rosberg has made the top ten on the grid four times in the last five races. 'Schumi'? Just once.

And that's merely to talk about one-lap speed. Over a race distance, Nico is invariably significantly quicker – at Silverstone his fastest lap was more than a second better than that of his elder countryman – and performances like that Down Under in Melbourne where Michael spent 40-odd laps trying to find a way past the Scuderia Toro Rosso of inexperienced Spaniard Jaime Alguersuari, or in Montreal where he clashed with Robert Kubica and Felipe Massa before finding himself overtaken by both Force Indias on the final lap, have done nothing for his erstwhile illustrious reputation.

Not just comparatively slow, Schumacher is also becoming increasingly erratic and unpredictable, resorting to desperate measures to stay in the limelight and ostensibly clinging onto a glorious past that is fading by the race. Whilst the man himself continues to maintain that he will remain a fixture on the grand prix grid in 2011 – even fancifully suggesting that he can win again, and fulfil his stated pre-season ambition of challenging for an incredible eighth drivers' crown – there are many who believe he is now a spent force who has had his day in the sun, and that he should get out at season's end before any more unnecessary damage is done.

Whether he ultimately stays put or walks away, the last word this time goes to Jos Verstappen, one of the many team-mates Schumacher simply blew away when they were paired together at Benetton back in 1994 and 1995 – and one who was distinctly unimpressed by the move on Barrichello five days ago. Describing the action as attention-seeking, 'dangerous' and proof that the comeback king has 'gone too far' in his regular column in De Telegraaf newspaper, the Dutchman reckoned the international media's 'merciless' response to the incident was 'nothing less than justified' and that the weak and forced apology the following day was too little, too late.

Schumacher should have 'been a man and apologised immediately after the race...that would have appeared far more sporting', Verstappen contends, but instead he argues the whole unsavoury episode was merely another manifestation of his growing frustration that his return to the fray is turning out far from how he had anticipated. Whilst his ten-place grid penalty for the Belgian Grand Prix at Spa-Francorchamps at the end of this month for his Hungarian misdemeanour is likely to leave F1's resident record-breaker in similar proximity to his starting position of 1995 – when he won the race from down in 16th spot – back then he was a miracle-worker, whereas now he is merely 'a man of flesh and blood'.

And as Verstappen concludes, if he does stay, then 2011 will be 'the year of truth...and the pressure on his shoulders will only increase'.

by Russell Atkins
#211051
People are very willing to slate him without considering everything relevant to his performances, apparently!
#211057
People are very willing to slate him without considering everything relevant to his performances, apparently!

The problem is the expectation of Schumacher; given that he is a seven times world champion, he has massively underperformed being outperformed by his relative minnow team mate. Given that we are more than half way through the season, Schumacher is falling further and further back and becoming increasingly dangerous with desperation!
#211058
Yeah how many times already he got caught in this kind of situation this season. Final stint of Canadian GP with another Brazillian...? This kind of moves only shows that he is in desperate position. He holds so many record already. He should take this season as a joyful season. Next season he can try to break the record as the oldest F1 winner/champion, best comebacks etc...
#211061
Yeah how many times already he got caught in this kind of situation this season. Final stint of Canadian GP with another Brazillian...? This kind of moves only shows that he is in desperate position. He holds so many record already. He should take this season as a joyful season. Next season he can try to break the record as the oldest F1 winner/champion, best comebacks etc...



We have seen moves much like his on the start of many races this season by driver who are far from desperate. Don't get me wrong, Schuey's move was over the proverbial line..but then many of the starting moves have been very close to that line if not over it as well. The stewards have seen fit to ignore the previous moves where a driver was forced to the wall, or onto the pit lane exit, or through the grass, or position challenged for IN THE PIT LANE...and then we all wonder why a driver would push the limits like this?

He got the penalty he deserved. But all of this is brought on by horribly poor consistency from the stewards. This season has seen more dangerous moves than I can recall in the past and most of them have gone without serious penalty. The FIA is trying to make the sport more Nascar like by allowing dangerous situations that can result in a crash. I think it's intentional...but if it's not, then the FIA are just horribly inept.
#211067
He got the penalty he deserved. But all of this is brought on by horribly poor consistency from the stewards. This season has seen more dangerous moves than I can recall in the past and most of them have gone without serious penalty. The FIA is trying to make the sport more Nascar like by allowing dangerous situations that can result in a crash. I think it's intentional... but if it's not, then the FIA are just horribly inept.

:yes: I agree, although I do find the highlighted statement alarming; I would like to believe that the FIA are inept, if it is true that it's deliberate then the FIA board should be hauled up on manslaughter charges should someone be killed because of it. We need clear rules such as "If driver A pushes driver B over the white lines at the edge of the track, a stop/go penalty will be administered on the next lap after the punishment is issued" and "driving two abreast in the pitlane is strictly prohibited" with punishment being a drive through penalty. These are simple to understand rules, no ambiguity at all and easy to spot so penalties can be dished out immediately!
#211069
He got the penalty he deserved. But all of this is brought on by horribly poor consistency from the stewards. This season has seen more dangerous moves than I can recall in the past and most of them have gone without serious penalty. The FIA is trying to make the sport more Nascar like by allowing dangerous situations that can result in a crash. I think it's intentional... but if it's not, then the FIA are just horribly inept.

:yes: I agree, although I do find the highlighted statement alarming; I would like to believe that the FIA are inept, if it is true that it's deliberate then the FIA board should be hauled up on manslaughter charges should someone be killed because of it. We need clear rules such as "If driver A pushes driver B over the white lines at the edge of the track, a stop/go penalty will be administered on the next lap after the punishment is issued" and "driving two abreast in the pitlane is strictly prohibited" with punishment being a drive through penalty. These are simple to understand rules, no ambiguity at all and easy to spot so penalties can be dished out immediately!


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Amen man You have my vote as Todt's replacement. Clear rules with equal punishment for all....what a concept.
#211070
Mr schumacher certainly has fallen short of what most people and i myself included what he was going to do this season, and im not sure if 2011 will be any better, but we shall have to wait and see until those days come around!, and his move on barichello was certainly desperate,fighting for tenth place, and even if he was going for the title, it was certainly pushing the boundary of the laws, but its nothing new isit?
#211073
Amen man You have my vote as Todt's replacement. Clear rules with equal punishment for all....what a concept.

Although I appreciate your endorsement, I wouldn't want the job! common sense seems to be a little lacking in the FIA in recent years, simple rules and simple punishments, there is far too much ambiguity in F1's rules, how can it be fair that one driver gets punished for a crime when another driver does not get punished for the same crime?
#211082
He got the penalty he deserved. But all of this is brought on by horribly poor consistency from the stewards. This season has seen more dangerous moves than I can recall in the past and most of them have gone without serious penalty. The FIA is trying to make the sport more Nascar like by allowing dangerous situations that can result in a crash. I think it's intentional... but if it's not, then the FIA are just horribly inept.

:yes: I agree, although I do find the highlighted statement alarming; I would like to believe that the FIA are inept, if it is true that it's deliberate then the FIA board should be hauled up on manslaughter charges should someone be killed because of it. We need clear rules such as "If driver A pushes driver B over the white lines at the edge of the track, a stop/go penalty will be administered on the next lap after the punishment is issued" and "driving two abreast in the pitlane is strictly prohibited" with punishment being a drive through penalty. These are simple to understand rules, no ambiguity at all and easy to spot so penalties can be dished out immediately!


I wouldn't enforce the pitlane rule. I think it's part of the spectacle, 2 drivers side by side and who gets to the line first and releases the speed limiter. Yes, it brings about an element of danger, but maybe the pitlanes should be modified to be much wider than they are now. Example would be old Monaco pitlane and new one...the new one is perfectly safe for wheel to wheel 'pitlane' racing. I for one, treasure these duels. And don't think drivers deserve penalties if they do manage to go side by side and not force the other guy over to the wall/mechanics.
#211083
I wouldn't enforce the pitlane rule. I think it's part of the spectacle, 2 drivers side by side and who gets to the line first and releases the speed limiter. Yes, it brings about an element of danger, but maybe the pitlanes should be modified to be much wider than they are now. Example would be old Monaco pitlane and new one...the new one is perfectly safe for wheel to wheel 'pitlane' racing. I for one, treasure these duels. And don't think drivers deserve penalties if they do manage to go side by side and not force the other guy over to the wall/mechanics.

I respectfully disagree; having cars going side by side at 80kph; all it takes is one wheel to touch another and could send a car into a pit box full of people. If the FIA are going to force all these safety regulations, make sure they are enforced and enforced consistently, although I don't believe that side by side in the pitlane is currently prohibited!
#211110
Fair enough! :)
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