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[racechick]

By the way Anna, Alonso's driving IS better than Lewis'. Remember a 2 time World Champion is more than a one time Champion, a Championship that Massa would of won rightfully had the all points in Singapur 2008 been annulled due to Renault and Briattore's cheating actions aka Crash-Gate.

Hi Kiki!! Where have you been hiding lately,you've not been around for a while?
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And who beneffitted form crashgate
Yes its 2:1 re championships. But the only true way to compare is when they have the same equipment and we have an exprienced two time world champion and a rookie. Same points and rookie finnishes ahead. Nuff said

[Hammer278]

On the topic of radio, I'm constantly scrathing my head as to why Alonso and his engineer Andrea Stella who is Italian are speaking to each other in English. They both speak Italian a lot more fluently than English so this I find puzzeling. I can undertsand the case with Massa and Smedley as I would safely assume Smedley's most fluent language is English and Massa is fluent enough in it as well. Anyway just an observation of made regarding "Radio" talk and "Ferrari". And yes I put the " next to those words to emphsise I am not going completely off topic here.

By the way Anna, Alonso's driving IS better than Lewis'. Remember a 2 time World Champion is more than a one time Champion, a Championship that Massa would of won rightfully had the all points in Singapur 2008 been annulled due to Renault and Briattore's cheating actions aka Crash-Gate.

What language they choose to speak in...... hmmm makes very little difference. In fact, when Andrea is speaking to him, it pretty much sounds like italian

Alonso's driving is better than Lewis'. Not because he has 2 championships, but because of a whole other things i wont get into detail about.

But on another related and very important note: Lewis' championship came on the same yr he was GIFTED a position by his teammate. in fact, his only championship came when he had the weakest teammate (and according to the Schumacher anti-league... Schumi's titles mean little because he "never had a fast teammate and was gifted positions"). So if 7 titles are not that meaningful because he had weak teammates and got gifted positions... i wonder how meaningful is 1 championship with both gifted positions and a weak teammate...... I leave you the facts, now you all make your own conclusions.

Oh yes...and Alonso won his Championships with a teammate who's now a test driver, at least Heikki is still a race driver. I have to hand it to you though, nice angle to come from to try and belittle Lewis' achievements...

FACT: Youngest WDC in F1 History
FACT: Matched and beat a 2X WDC in his ROOKIE year
FACT: The above 2 facts put your lame-ass facts to shame

I like my style...

[Robert12010]

FACT: Youngest WDC in F1 History
FACT: Matched and beat a 2X WDC in his ROOKIE year
FACT: The above 2 facts put your lame-ass facts to shame


totally agree!, Lewis puts fernando alonso to shame!!, come on lewis go and wip fernando's backside with your mclaren till he cant take it no more and then has naother sulk!

[Jabberwocky]

On the topic of radio, I'm constantly scrathing my head as to why Alonso and his engineer Andrea Stella who is Italian are speaking to each other in English. They both speak Italian a lot more fluently than English so this I find puzzeling. I can undertsand the case with Massa and Smedley as I would safely assume Smedley's most fluent language is English and Massa is fluent enough in it as well. Anyway just an observation of made regarding "Radio" talk and "Ferrari". And yes I put the " next to those words to emphsise I am not going completely off topic here.

Alonso/Stella may have to speak in english because there is other people in the team listening who do not speak italian.

FACT: Youngest WDC in F1 History
FACT: Matched and beat a 2X WDC in his ROOKIE year
FACT: The above 2 facts put your lame-ass facts to shame

FACT: Was groomed from a young age by Mclaren so never had to do the "Minardi" years
FACT: Got beat in his Rookie year by a 0 times world champion
FACT: Federation Against Copyright Theft

[f1ea]

Oh yes...and Alonso won his Championships with a teammate who's now a test driver, at least Heikki is still a race driver. I have to hand it to you though, nice angle to come from to try and belittle Lewis' achievements...

FACT: Youngest WDC in F1 History
FACT: Matched and beat a 2X WDC in his ROOKIE year
FACT: The above 2 facts put your lame-ass facts to shame

I like my style...

Your remark about Fisi being now a test driver and Heikki a driver makes no sense at all.

Fact#1 - Youngest WDC in history: more than fact... its actually trivia. Sure, its cool to mention... but when you jump into the best car in your rookie yr... lots of fun trivia can happen
Fact#2 - See the episode in Hungary and who broke the agreement that lead to the problem. How many pts it cost? See when Ron says they were racing Alonso... very nice fact you got there. Doesnt make much to a case.
Fact#3 - hmmm, not really

I didnt really belittle anybody's achievements. Like I said, make your own conclusions.

totally agree!, Lewis puts fernando alonso to shame!!, come on lewis go and wip fernando's backside with your mclaren till he cant take it no more and then has naother sulk!

Really? put to shame? or was it the other way around? From how I have seen... Lewis' credits ALL start with "beating" Alonso... So, according to all of you, his biggest credit is related to Alonso.
When you can judge Lewis on his own achievements, you can talk about him being the best of the field

Do that succesfully, and i will also like your style.

[Robert12010]

we all want him to do well for himself of course,!, but its great when he beats alonso, because a majority of brits don't like alonso

[What's Burning?]

By the way Anna, Alonso's driving IS better than Lewis'. Remember a 2 time World Champion is more than a one time Champion, a Championship that Massa would of won rightfully had the all points in Singapur 2008 been annulled due to Renault and Briattore's cheating actions aka Crash-Gate.

Hi Kiki!! Where have you been hiding lately,you've not been around for a while?
Back on topic_

And who beneffitted form crashgate
Yes its 2:1 re championships. But the only true way to compare is when they have the same equipment and we have an exprienced two time world champion and a rookie. Same points and rookie finnishes ahead. Nuff said

This is fantastic to see, Anna and Kiki having a civilized discussion. See guys, this is how it's done, different opinions and they're not calling one another a $hithead.

[vaptin]

By the way Anna, Alonso's driving IS better than Lewis'. Remember a 2 time World Champion is more than a one time Champion, a Championship that Massa would of won rightfully had the all points in Singapur 2008 been annulled due to Renault and Briattore's cheating actions aka Crash-Gate.

Hi Kiki!! Where have you been hiding lately,you've not been around for a while?
Back on topic_

And who beneffitted form crashgate
Yes its 2:1 re championships. But the only true way to compare is when they have the same equipment and we have an exprienced two time world champion and a rookie. Same points and rookie finnishes ahead. Nuff said

This is fantastic to see, Anna and Kiki having a civilized discussion. See guys, this is how it's done, different opinions and they're not calling one another a $hithead.

Your a shithead.

(Joking).

Anyway, the same equipment still doesn't cut it, it can't account for luck, or which driver's style the car is best suited to. Also, Alonso got massively pissed with Mclaren, that affected his driving ability. The man's living on the line mentally, a fantastic (I mean in the sense of it being large) desire to win, but that comes with its downside as well. Sliverstone's a pretty clear example of clouded judgement, he could've just given the place back.

If a team is able to keep Alonso in the "zone", he's fantastic.

Stefano seems to be doing a good job.

[f1ea]

This is fantastic to see, Anna and Kiki having a civilized discussion. See guys, this is how it's done, different opinions and they're not calling one another a $hithead.

I bet they'd hug eachother when they're drunk hehe

The man's living on the line mentally, a fantastic (I mean in the sense of it being large) desire to win, but that comes with its downside as well. Sliverstone's a pretty clear example of clouded judgement, he could've just given the place back.

If a team is able to keep Alonso in the "zone", he's fantastic.

Stefano seems to be doing a good job.

yeah. Interesting... i remember an interview with Lewis, he was asked to describe Alonso in one word. He said "perfectionist".

I think this was one very good assessment, with all the good and bad it implies. I think the Valencia thing got him real bad. Or maybe Lewis called him and said: That one was for Hungary Q '07. Gotcha, sucka!

But the move in Silverstone was grey as it gets. Look at the video edit from Silverstone at formula1.com official site.... you can see clearly Kubica coming from the side pushing him to the grass. I dont want to defend or anything, he still should have given the place back just to be safe. But look at that footage....

[kerc]

But the move in Silverstone was grey as it gets. Look at the video edit from Silverstone at formula1.com official site.... you can see clearly Kubica coming from the side pushing him to the grass. I dont want to defend or anything, he still should have given the place back just to be safe. But look at that footage....

The "problem" with rules is that you must comply with them even if you're the "victim" in a racing situation. I agree that Robert wasn't squeaky clean, but Alonso should've given back the position and then come back with a vengeance.

[racechick]

This is fantastic to see, Anna and Kiki having a civilized discussion. See guys, this is how it's done, different opinions and they're not calling one another a $hithead.

I bet they'd hug eachother when they're drunk hehe

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In your dreams!!!!

[smokin]

But the move in Silverstone was grey as it gets. Look at the video edit from Silverstone at formula1.com official site.... you can see clearly Kubica coming from the side pushing him to the grass. I dont want to defend or anything, he still should have given the place back just to be safe. But look at that footage....

The "problem" with rules is that you must comply with them even if you're the "victim" in a racing situation. I agree that Robert wasn't squeaky clean, but Alonso should've given back the position and then come back with a vengeance.

Tyre stacks at the apex of the corner would solve the problem. Not. I remember them trying that many years ago only for Damon Hill to clip one and take himself out of the race. Policing the 'chicanes' is always going to be difficult, particularly if one driver closes down the line leaving the other driver no option to take to the grass. Still, Alonso should have given back the position and only has himself (or his team) to blame.

[AKR]

By the way Anna, Alonso's driving IS better than Lewis'. Remember a 2 time World Champion is more than a one time Champion, a Championship that Massa would of won rightfully had the all points in Singapur 2008 been annulled due to Renault and Briattore's cheating actions aka Crash-Gate.

Hi Kiki!! Where have you been hiding lately,you've not been around for a while?
Back on topic_

And who beneffitted form crashgate
Yes its 2:1 re championships. But the only true way to compare is when they have the same equipment and we have an exprienced two time world champion and a rookie. Same points and rookie finnishes ahead. Nuff said

Hey Anna, nice to hear from you too. Haven't seen you around in a while as well.

[AKR]

FACT: Youngest WDC in F1 History
FACT: Matched and beat a 2X WDC in his ROOKIE year
FACT: The above 2 facts put your lame-ass facts to shame


totally agree!, Lewis puts fernando alonso to shame!!, come on lewis go and wip fernando's backside with your mclaren till he cant take it no more and then has naother sulk!

Of course he did. It wasn't all that hard for Lewis when McLaren gave all the special favours to Lewis and basically favoured Lewis. If no one got special favours, Alonso would of probably had won the world championship in 2007 for McLaren and not Kimi. I guess thank God for the silliness of McLaren to favour Lewis Hamilton because in the end it allowed Ferrari's Kimi Raikkonen to become World Champion.

[AKR]

By the way Anna, Alonso's driving IS better than Lewis'. Remember a 2 time World Champion is more than a one time Champion, a Championship that Massa would of won rightfully had the all points in Singapur 2008 been annulled due to Renault and Briattore's cheating actions aka Crash-Gate.

Hi Kiki!! Where have you been hiding lately,you've not been around for a while?
Back on topic_

And who beneffitted form crashgate
Yes its 2:1 re championships. But the only true way to compare is when they have the same equipment and we have an exprienced two time world champion and a rookie. Same points and rookie finnishes ahead. Nuff said

This is fantastic to see, Anna and Kiki having a civilized discussion. See guys, this is how it's done, different opinions and they're not calling one another a $hithead.

Agreed.