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[darwin dali]

Wait till arthritis kicks you in the butt, lmao!

[texasmr2]

Wait till arthritis kicks you in the butt, lmao!

It already did !

[darwin dali]

Well, then... you might as well move in with the grumpy old geezers and play bridge and complain about the loud young people all day, Statler.

[texasmr2]

My body may be getting old but my mind, on good day's, still let's me act like I'm 18!

The banter has been great fun but I think we have highjacked losthero's thread long enough, dont you think?

[darwin dali]

As I was saying, FM knows very well how to overtake - leads the stats in that department...

[texasmr2]

Man I must be getting old as I used to be able to remember just about every detail about every race. I used to actually keep a statistic's log would you believe? Glad everyone is up to par on the stat's and I think I will start another log for the '08 seaon just for fun.

[737flier]

I voted for Nico, we can all dream can't we ????

[Tero]

I think massa haven´t ever been able to win race outside pole position
You may correct me if i´m wrong

[darwin dali]

Found an update:

AUS MAS BRN ESP MON CDN USA FRA GBR Eur HUN TUR ITA BEL JPN
=============================================================================
21 Massa 5 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 9 0 0 0 0 0 6
15 Fisichella 0 0 1 0 0 0 7 0 1 2 0 1 1 - 2
14 Sutil 1 - 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 3 7
13 Trulli 1 0 2 1 1 0 0 - 0 1 1 5 1 0 0
12 Alonso 0 0 0 0 0 5 1 3 0 1 2 0 0 0 0
12 Sato 0 1 0 0 1 4 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 2 1
12 Liuzzi 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 - 0 0 0 0 0 0 10
12 Coulthard 1 0 8 0 0 1 - 0 0 1 0 0 - 0 1
12 Button 0 0 - 0 0 - 1 0 0 0 0 9 1 0 1
11 Kubica 0 1 0 0 0 0 - 0 0 1 0 0 1 6 2
10 Räikkönen 0 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 7
10 Rosberg 1 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 4 0 0 0 1 0 2
9 Wurz 0 5 1 - 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 0
8 Kovalainen 0 0 0 0 0 4 0 0 - 1 0 0 0 0 2
8 Heidfeld 0 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 2
7 Barrichello 1 2 1 0 0 1 - 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1
6 Davidson 1 0 0 1 0 0 2 - 0 1 0 0 1 0 0
6 Hamilton 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 0 0 1 0 0
6 Webber 0 0 2 1 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0
6 Schumacher 0 1 1 - 0 1 1 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 1
3 Vettel - - - - - - 0 - - - 1 0 0 1 1
2 Yamamoto - - - - - - - - - - 0 0 1 1 0
1 Albers 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 - - - - - -
0 Speed 0 0 - 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 - - - - -
0 Winkelhock - - - - - - - - - 0 - - - - -
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
216 11 12 20 5 2 21 14 6 16 18 5 15 10 15 46



And this seems pretty interesting as well (one would have to adjust the numbers for the number of races participated):

Most Passes 1998-2007
=====================

Using the data from my statistics these are all drivers who have achieved
50 or more passes.

193 R Barrichello *
154 M Schumacher

147 R Schumacher *
145 D Coulthard *
121 J Button *
117 G Fisichella *
108 J Villeneuve
103 O Panis

97 J Trulli *
95 JP Montoya
95 F Massa *
89 J Alesi
86 K Räikkönen *
75 T Sato *
74 F Alonso *
73 H-H Frentzen
71 N Heidfeld *
70 M Webber *
67 E Irvine
54 J Verstappen
50 M Salo

One other driver who didn't quite make the cut - Mika Häkkinen (49).

[losthero]

i dont think this is actully correct bcos the point i was trying to get across is a actual passing move on another driver, not gaining a place bcos someone ahead of them has ritired in a grand prix.

[losthero]

but thank you for posting the statistics, this is really cool stuff, how did you complie this, you are really smart, i have huge respect for you.

[darwin dali]

Those ARE passing manoeuvres that were for position.

[darwin dali]

but thank you for posting the statistics, this is really cool stuff, how did you complie this, you are really smart, i have huge respect for you.

Brian Lawrence has been compiling this kind of data for every race for years.

[Tero]

I personally think that Ferrari is going to dominate next season
and mclaren tries to keep up, but can do nothing about it

[darwin dali]

I personally think that Ferrari is going to dominate next season
and mclaren tries to keep up, but can do nothing about it

I agree. Ferrari: better drivers, better leadership (especially if RB comes back), better pits, better relationship with Bridgestone ( ), better relationship with the FIA ( ) - all this should make up for the deficit in the spying-on-others department and the advantages that comes with that