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[bud]

The McLaren 'official team wannabe's'

Bill go away would you! you have a go at my post count, my personally signed avatar, now my team member sig! seriously mate would you just f***ing leave me alone!!! im sick of you!!

and go on and have a whinge.... oh look he swore he should be banned bla bla bla mate you deserve everything you get! go to hell!



and mods i am fed up with the harassment from this w***er!

Billindever I wouldn't worry anymore about what bud says. He has basically been corned and has lost the argument. He cannot validily counter anything. We both better stop because I know how bud reacts to losing. He gets aggressive. But hey its understandable because no body like to lose. But what can I say. CHECKMATE bud.

would have expected more from you AKR, his argument and what he got me pissed off about had nothing to do with the topic. He is continuously harassing me and i am fed up with it....

and yeah checkmate goes to me and the stewards, costs you $100,000 ill take it in $50 thanks AKR...

[AKR]

what the hell are you on about?

There is a rule in F1 to ban team orders that affect the outcome of a race. There isnt in WRC so sorry your argument is wrong.

Then the rule is either wrong in F1 or missing in WRC. Motor racing principles are the same for all. Either F1 is wrong or WRC is wrong. Which one is it? Confirm. If you say F1 is wrong (That banning team orders is stupid) then Ferrari are not cheats and neither are Citroen. If WRC are wrong (for not banning team orders to begin with) then both Ferrari and Citroen are cheats. Choose one or the other. Chosing differently for either sport is contractive and you know it.

sorry there are rules that exist in F1 that dont exist in other series. saying there is a greater rule book is wrong! One rule that exists in F1 is "no team orders that affect the outcome of a race" Ferrari broke this rule and were punished. I dont see how we can say other wise.

Fine so then Loeb and Citroen are also cheats yes? If Ferrari are cheats for alledly using team orders, then so are the WRC party for doing the same thing and robbing Hirvonen and Ford of a title. It doesn't matter if the series is different. People move over for Loeb to get those extra points in that rally and that proved decisive in the end. Loeb got help from others to win just like Alosno got help from Massa. There is no difference. If you argue that Ferrari are cheats then so are Citroen. Simple and clear. But given you won't accept Citroen as cheats by your own saying means you yourself don't really know what is right or wrong regarding team orders.

[AKR]

NIce try billidenver but you conveniently let slip the radio transmissions after Massa "put on his tantrum". What about "Sorry mate" and "You're very magnanimous, you don't know that word but I'll explain it later"...

They just gave their game away right there so your logic (although very strong and can be put to work) is thrown out the window and no longer an option for Ferrari. They gave away the fact that the order given before Massa put on his tantrum was coded, so game over...

Nuh, those words mean absoutley nothing. Wait and see as nothing will happen to Ferrari after the WMSC hearing.

[Hammer278]

Unfortunately, I believe what you say is the most probable outcome. Though far from the fair decision IMO. That's where we choose to agree to disagree.

[bud]

ok it seems you cant fathom the F1 rule book and the WRC rule book.... are not the same!

Team orders are banned in F1 they are not in WRC. so you bringing this up all the time is irrelevant! Face it Ferrari broke the rules and were punished, I dont understand what there is to debate about that. Its already done!

[AKR]

The McLaren 'official team wannabe's'

Bill go away would you! you have a go at my post count, my personally signed avatar, now my team member sig! seriously mate would you just f***ing leave me alone!!! im sick of you!!

and go on and have a whinge.... oh look he swore he should be banned bla bla bla mate you deserve everything you get! go to hell!



and mods i am fed up with the harassment from this w***er!

Billindever I wouldn't worry anymore about what bud says. He has basically been corned and has lost the argument. He cannot validily counter anything. We both better stop because I know how bud reacts to losing. He gets aggressive. But hey its understandable because no body like to lose. But what can I say. CHECKMATE bud.

would have expected more from you AKR, his argument and what he got me pissed off about had nothing to do with the topic. He is continuously harassing me and i am fed up with it....

and yeah checkmate goes to me and the stewards, costs you $100,000 ill take it in $50 thanks AKR...

Cost my team $100,000, why thats pocket money. I will be more generous to you and give it to you as one lump payment. And if the WMSC say that the fine is invalid because they cannot proved we used team orders, I'll be kind enough to let you keep the money too. CHECKMATE and good night. (it is late at night in Australia I assume).

[Diplomatic Immunity]

All I have to say is

'BAN'TASTIC!

lol even though we all have our opinions about the race in Germany

Truthfully, I cannot wait to see how the rest of this season plays out.

Furthermore, Ferrari is making HUGE strides in the development of their cars and I really want to see them competitive for the rest of the year. I only can pray that the upcoming race in Hungary wont be so boring...but just looking at the design of that track...Sorry to say we might be in for another BORErain just like last weekend

At least this whole situation gave us more suspense than the boring a$$ race in Hockenheim

[vaptin]

There's a difference between a legal argument (whether its against the rules) and a moral argument. Bud's arguing one, and AKR you are arguing the other. Apples and Oranges.

Hammer - Those words don't prove it wasn't Massa's decision.

[billindenver]

The McLaren 'official team wannabe's'

Bill go away would you!

No sir, I like it here. Besides...you would miss me. I admit, I'm not here a tenth as much as you are, but you would miss me none the less. Perhaps if I purchased a much more comfortable desk chair and put pizza delivery on speed dial I could work my way up to a quarter of your post per day average....nah, I just couldn't do it. I have to know my limits. Even if I had my chair custom fitted to my rather sculpted backside...I couldn't sit in it as long as you do. I surrender, you are the internet warrior champion and official team member. All hail bud!

[What's Burning?]

There's a difference between a legal argument (whether its against the rules) and a moral argument. Bud's arguing one, and AKR you are arguing the other. Apples and Oranges.

... and this is why the argument persists! good way to make a nice and concise summary of it though.

[AKR]

ok it seems you cant fathom the F1 rule book and the WRC rule book.... are not the same!

Team orders are banned in F1 they are not in WRC. so you bringing this up all the time is irrelevant! Face it Ferrari broke the rules and were punished, I dont understand what there is to debate about that. Its already done!

But racing is the same is it not. Yiu have raced karts and I have raced a rally car before. We all understand the princioples of racing and none of us like to be cheated upon. So why would the rule book be different in F1 to WRC or any other series. One of them has got it wrong. Simple. As I said to you before, Hirvonen was robbed of a championshipom because of team orders. So either Citroen are cheats in principle (but not accotding to a stupid rule book) or they are not cheats in principle. But if they are not cheatrs then neither are Ferrari as the principles of racing are the same.

[Hammer278]

There's a difference between a legal argument (whether its against the rules) and a moral argument. Bud's arguing one, and AKR you are arguing the other. Apples and Oranges.

Hammer - Those words don't prove it wasn't Massa's decision.

Okay. What does his race manager have to be sorry for? And what is the definition of magnanimous?

magnanimously - in a magnanimous manner; "magnanimously, he forgave all those who had harmed him"

Supposedly, someone had harmed Massa. Was it an ant stuck inside his pants??

[vaptin]

There's a difference between a legal argument (whether its against the rules) and a moral argument. Bud's arguing one, and AKR you are arguing the other. Apples and Oranges.

... and this is why the argument persists! good way to make a nice and concise summary of it though.

Thanks, can I have some money?

[AKR]

The McLaren 'official team wannabe's'

Bill go away would you!

No sir, I like it here. Besides...you would miss me. I admit, I'm not here a tenth as much as you are, but you would miss me none the less. Perhaps if I purchased a much more comfortable desk chair and put pizza delivery on speed dial I could work my way up to a quarter of your post per day average....nah, I just couldn't do it. I have to know my limits. Even if I had my chair custom fitted to my rather sculpted backside...I couldn't sit in it as long as you do. I surrender, you are the internet warrior champion and official team member. All hail bud!

Nice one. By the way I love your Porsche avatar. Porsche is as good as Ferrari.

[bud]

haha youre still at it, if its ok for you to make accusations about me mate then guess what i am skinnier fitter and better looking and get more attention from women than you would ever get!!! Youre just an old wannabe racer who buys a porsche in his 50s after years of working in a factory getting umpalumpa from prostitutes out back just so finally one day he can pretend he is a racer!

top job HillBilly!