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[Juliet P]

Yeah flux F1 shoots itself in the foot, or is it someone else? Has Fernando had a season where his team has not been involved in a WMSC extraordinary meeting? thats somewhat telling eh!

Yeah it tells you that FIA wants a brithish champion, hey but fernando in not brithish, bummer. F1 is no longer about racing and pilots, its about rules and regulation, and prohibitions.

This is the biggest load of rubbish I've ever heard. The FIA don't give a rats arse about the nationality of the winner of the championship. We've had two British winners the last two years - if anything I think the FIA want a non-British driver to win in order to make it a bit more interesting. This crap is nothing but sheer, blind, self-deluding paranoia on behalf of the spanish media and fans. And frankly it's pretty darn insulting that you think that the Brits involved in the FIA would be so corrupt. People involved in this sport are usually in it because of their love of the sport, not any other consideration.

[supeindesu]

what a load of bullpoo!! you Spaniards should get over yourselves and get that chip off your shoulder from 07! From what ive seen on here youre all a bunch of whinging morons!

Insulting wasn't a reason to ban?... Oh, forgot that rule doesn't apply when it comes to a MaccaHooligan.

theres a difference between insulting and stating facts! seriously youre all idiotas with your conspiracy theories why on earth would a multi national body like the FIA favour one nation especially when the guy with the most power is French and used to work for Fernando's Ferrari?

your argument is pathetic!!

Look at the facts... and stop insulting.... Oh, again, that rule is not applied to you...

To Hitler, it was a fact that arians where superior, and all the rest where scumm to erase from the face of Earth...

[Flux]

no, every single driver on the grid is a highly competitive person they wouldn't be in f1 if they are not. Especially when in a position to win the race, to expect anything other is stupid rob smedly wanted everyone to know there was a hidden message when radio'ing massa the statement " ALONSO IS FASTER THAN YOU" does not need to be confirmed by the driver, in fact when have you ever heard "can you confirm you understood that message " in a situation anything other than dealing with technical problems.

i cant find an informed f1 journalist, commentator or pundit who does not believe ferrari used team orders, alot of them are putting across both views but have the opinion that ferrari are in the wrong. just because a few armchair ferrari supporters got off there asses and whipped up a few stories does not mean they are correct.

FIA found ferrari guilty of 39.1b there's not a argument to be had anymore

[bud]

Look at the facts... and stop insulting.... Oh, again, that rule is not applied to you...

I have looked at the facts and its clear as day, ALL the Spaniards that post on here are what i said above. Nothing insulting about it, no more than calling me a MaccaHooligan or insinuating as you are now of a forum conspiracy because i follow McLaren!
GET OVER IT FFS

Yeah flux F1 shoots itself in the foot, or is it someone else? Has Fernando had a season where his team has not been involved in a WMSC extraordinary meeting? thats somewhat telling eh!

Yeah it tells you that FIA wants a brithish champion, hey but fernando in not brithish, bummer. F1 is no longer about racing and pilots, its about rules and regulation, and prohibitions.

This is the biggest load of rubbish I've ever heard. The FIA don't give a rats arse about the nationality of the winner of the championship. We've had two British winners the last two years - if anything I think the FIA want a non-British driver to win in order to make it a bit more interesting. This crap is nothing but sheer, blind, self-deluding paranoia on behalf of the spanish media and fans. And frankly it's pretty darn insulting that you think that the Brits involved in the FIA would be so corrupt. People involved in this sport are usually in it because of their love of the sport, not any other consideration.

you cant even have a proper discussion with the Spaniards that come on here Juliet, they have been brainwashed with Fernando propaganda in their country. Feel sorry for them actually!

[samie]

The facts are sports should be won or lost on the field, NOT in offices. Sometimes the rulings have favor ones sometime the others but that is sports. If a team breaks a rule, right then and then it should be fined or taken care of. You can fine and debate after the fact.

it makes no sense that this get a penalty, and many other incidents that are similar dont.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5xH5CRkllo

If the rules were clear, we brainwashed spaniards wouldnt be on your back.

As I say, can u imagine this happening in soccer?

FIA should have the guts to call things out when they happen, and we well all be fine. So what is the fine for 39.1b.. wait it has to be discussed. what is this?

[bud]

The facts are sports should be won or lost on the field, NOT in offices.

exactly why should Massa pull aside for Alonso.... you put your foot in it samie haha quit while youre behind....

[vaptin]

Former team owner Eddie Jordan says the rule banning teams from giving orders to their drivers that affect the outcome of a race should be dropped.

"It's a nonsense," said Jordan. "It needs to be repealed."

"Ferrari believe the best way to win the championship is for Alonso to be the main driver, but it was the way it happened," added Jordan. "It was a nonsense and the way they handled this was appalling."

Lotus Racing chief technical officer Mike Gascoyne said Ferrari should have made more effort to disguise the instructions to Massa.

"The bottom line is if you are going to do it then do so far more cleverly than they did," said Gascoyne.

"Obviously it is a team sport and you have to get the best result for the team, in particular when you are at the front and racing for a championship.

"But it is clear the fans feel cheated by it when you do it like they did, which was just ridiculous."

It seems a bit hypocritical to me, saying its ok to do it, but only if you hide it under the carpet. It either is or it isn't.

Ferrari broke the rules, and should be punished, but I think it was becuase Rob and Massa were so pissed about it they made it obvious.

[samie]

The facts are sports should be won or lost on the field, NOT in offices.

exactly why should Massa pull aside for Alonso.... you put your foot in it samie haha quit while youre behind....

Because Massa is a big looser. Massa knows he cant hold up a decent driver 20 laps without crashing.

Cause, even if it was a team order... why then would you do it in such a way that it would make your team look that bad? you still had 20 laps to go.

Massa knows about 39.1b, why then would he slow down on a straight and pull aside for fernando. Only one reason, vengance. Envy. After his accident massa is a different beast. lasts days as a F1 pilot. Fear has gotten into him.

[bud]

gee if Massa is a 3rd rate driver what does it say about Alonso's skill? that he was beating Fernando until the team made him give up the lead... wow indeed!

[What's Burning?]

Hasn't everything on this topic already been said?

Two people got hurt here, 1) Felipe Massa 2) Ferrari fans.

Ferrari has already been wrist slapped for it, and they may get a bigger punishment next month. We can discuss ethics all we want, but it doesn't matter, nothing will change and it's likely that 3/4 of the teams on the grid giving the same situation would have likely done the same thing... it's a business and they're responsible to their sponsors FIRST. The only winners here were Fernando Alonso supporters, so let them enjoy his "success" for a while.

Now I'm going to focus my attention on the Hungary thread thank you.

[MAD MAX]

your argument is pathetic!!

Its not even that good bud

[scotty]

he didnt let him pass Lewis was lapping faster, he would have passed him as he passed both Massa and Piquet. What he did was not put up a fight. remember Lewis was the leader up until the SC ruined that. Alonso on the other hand was trading laps with Massa even on the hards when Alonso was apparently faster Massa was matching and bettering him.

Look at it this way.

Did McLaren stop Heikki from winning? No, Lewis was the only driver fast enough in the team to win.

Did Ferrari stop Massa from winning? Yes!! Was Alonso faster? if he was why not pass him as Lewis showed you can pass at the track with a faster car.

difference again Scotty

He didn't put up a fight? No offence but that is complete bollocks, watch the 'pass' and you'll see Kova going mega deep into a corner on purpose, to let Hamilton past. Yeah, Hamilton got bad luck with the SC in that race but that is no excuse, you could say here that Massa was only leading anyway because he helped himself to a massive patch of extra track in turn 1! A stupid argument isn't it? Regardless, that is all beside the point: like i said before, team orders are team orders, the situation really doesn't absolve them and in many ways it would be totally hypocritical if it did.

And this isn't some Ferrari vs. McLaren crap before anyone starts, my point is that all teams will do it when it suits and that isn't going to change any time soon. It's not all big bad cheating Ferrari as some people would love to (and do) apparently believe. Might as well accept it happens and move on, enjoy the racing for what it is.

[bud]

well you can think its the same thing, I wont lose sleep over it. I know I am right.

[scotty]

Never said it was the exact same thing, but it's still an example of team orders!

[f1ea]

The lowdown:

http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/story/24493.html

Coulthard. Bernie. And frankly, anybody with an honest brain will agree.

I really dont see where people want to complicate things more than they should be. In any team sport, the moment any individual tries to be above the team's interests gets a seat in the bench.

The BS is about the spectacle... well, in baseball what everyone wants to do and see is to hit a grand slam home run to win the world series... if in a game a player has to hit a sac fly, a bunt, or an infield hit to win a game. he will do it, even if it hurts his individual numbers. A baseball fan will always cheer the sac fly as much as the home run if it wins the game.

Every team has team orders. Now stop the BS.