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[f1ea]

Its Mathematically possible for him to, Kimi was not when he helped Massa! and from memory the team didnt even order Kimi, he said pre race he would help Massa so again that was nothing like what happened today.

and please lose their jobs? Did anyone lose their jobs at Redbull after Turkey? what crap coming from the Lambs in defence of this s***.

I've always defended this situation. Always will. Makes no sense to have teams then.

[pos68]

promote the following three drivers.

Why, this isn't a freebie.
Ferrari (Mass or Alonso were still better than anyone else)
There is a difference between theft and Murder and punishment is not the same for these 2 actions.
Team orders aren't murder, Team sport has team orders. Hence punishment you suggest doesn't fit the so-called-crime of yours.

I agree but the race had over 20 laps to go, we could have seen a bit of a fight between drivers and thats what I watch the sport for, not team orders that are so obviously blantantly clear, but if Ferrari are just allowed to get away with it, it will happen more and more ..... I agree its a team sport, but rules are there for one thing only they certainly are not put in place to be blatantly broken like Ferrari did today ....... and I quote "GOOD LAD, SORRY"!!!!!!

Yes there is a difference between theft and murder, but both are punishable! Ferrari should be DSQ or at least the points being taken off them.

[Bladesman]

Well the interview with Massa said it all really.

Blatent team orders on a par with Austria 2002. Atleast back then you could argue it was worth doing because 1 driver was far ahead in the standings but Massa was only a race win and abit behind Alonso.

Will anying be done? I doubt it.

[EagleF1-27]

Cheating does not make a true world champion!

It does if your name is Michael Schumacher, and maybe what happened today is the result of what he has done in the past. Before Schumacher's days at Ferrari I cant really recall them swapping their drivers round when running 1-2. Sure they have told their drivers to slow down when running in the lead, but not to let the other guy past.

[McLaren]

Ferrari management callled to go up before the stewards.Slap on the wrist coming up.

[kate ex F1 fan]

If I had paid to see that "race", I'd be asking for my money back. 2002 sent a clear message to the FIA that the fans wanted to see racing, not race-fixing so if they do nothing about this they might as well throw away the rule book as it is meaningless. A lot of time, money and effort could be saved if the FIA president just announces every March who this year's champion is going to be - then we could forget about bothering with the race at all. Less pollution, smaller carbon footprint - and just as interesting.

As for Alonso - I thought he was supposed to be a racer, but if someone's ahead of him, all he ever does is stamp his feet and have a tantrum until they let him through. Hardly winning a race, is it. I know this is Ferrari's idea of sport, and I suppose now Jean Todt is in charge it's going to become the FIA's idea of sport.

Oh well, that was a wasted 3 hours I'll never have back. Don't think I'll bother with Hungary.

[tony1979]

Ferrari may be in trouble - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85539

I hope the stewards se this for what it was, - Blatant cheating because of a whinging spaniard who has no more sense of sportsmanship than my 5 month old son does!

[MAD MAX]

Ferrari management callled to go up before the stewards.Slap on the wrist coming up.

Linky please

[McLaren]

Ferrari management callled to go up before the stewards.Slap on the wrist coming up.

Linky please

Just been announced on tv.Jake humphries just said about it live on air

[bud]

Heres Horners thoughts

When asked by the BBC after the race for his thoughts on the issue, Horner said: "I have to say, that was probably the clearest team order I've ever seen, especially when you've got the team apologising to a driver."

Team orders were made illegal after the 2002 Austrian Grand Prix when Ferrari ordered Rubens Barrichello to move over and let Michael Schumacher win. Horner said the German Grand Prix echoed that incident.

"It will be interesting to see what the stewards make of it, because it was as clear as 2002, which was why the regulation was brought in," Horner added. "The regulations are pretty clear that team orders aren't allowed and it looked like a team order."

Horner said Red Bull would not have done the same.

"No, we let our drivers race," he said. "Massa's still in this championship, or maybe he's signed a contract that says he's a number two driver, but I think that it's wrong for the sport. The drivers should've been allowed to race. Massa did the better job. He was in the lead."

[richindarlo]

Very interesting! I think that Team Orders do happen, and i think most people have the common sense to disguise it in some way.
Ferrari were a disgrace today. not just what they did but the way in which it was done.
Lets not forget also that Alonso had already yelled on the radio that he wasnt happy with being stuck behind Massa. I think therefore the fans are more angry about this because, 1, its Ferrari who are notorious for this, and 2, its Alonso spittin the dummy out, again!!!
Just a quick word for Rob Smedley, but in a shocking position today, hats off to him for being so professional. But when Ferrari wonder why they are like Marmite, either loved or hated, but when they are hated, boy they are loathed!!

The F1 forum on the BBC just said the stewards want a word with Ferrari, probably to say use a code word next time!!

[Hexagram]

Don't forget Kimi moving over for Massa in 2008 in the exact same manner.

There was no outrage then.

second last race of the year wasnt it? Massa can still win the title this year.... oh and it wasnt for the win! not exactly the same manner after all eh!

Rules are rules. If they were not enforced then, why should they be enforced now?

Just to be clear bud, I do not agree with what happened today.

[McHare]

Surprised that DC seems to be in favour of Team Orders. Just think if other teams acted in the same manner, nothing in F1 would happen and we could all do something more useful on our Sundays.

[Hammer278]

Time for Martin Whitmarsh to speak up as well. You need these public voices to put the pressure on stewards to do what needs to be done.

[bud]

Don't forget Kimi moving over for Massa in 2008 in the exact same manner.

There was no outrage then.

second last race of the year wasnt it? Massa can still win the title this year.... oh and it wasnt for the win! not exactly the same manner after all eh!

Rules are rules. If they were not enforced then, why should they be enforced now?

Just to be clear bud, I do not agree with what happened today.

As i already said earlier, from memory Kimi wasnt ordered by the team, he said pre race he would help Massa on his own accord. He pulled aside without the team telling him to do so!