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[McLaren]

" Jenson, slow down, we need to "save fuel" "

yeah, the same orders were given to lewis.

supe, did you miss the orders later to the drivers "There is NO need to save fuel"? Seriously. Thanks for telling us Lewis was told to save fuel, as we all got deaf at that moment of the race. Cheers bud.

McLarens have the cars on save fuel most races.Like today they were told to be carefull you might have to go to g8 fuel save.They all start with not enough fuel to go flat out all the way.

Today it was so obvous it was orders the way it was said,the way it was done and what they said after.If team orders do go ahead (which we all know they do) at least be convincing about it all.

[Hammer278]

Ridiculous. How can one say this is a sport when someone other than the participants can determine the outcome? I also found incredulous that Red Bull told Webber to short shift into seventh or they would turn his revs down. Now we all know that the teams have that capability. But for them to come out and SAY it just tells me that the cars might as well be driven by remote control. So even if their intervention was to save the car, Red Bull are just as guilty of team orders as Ferrari was. Who to tell? The whole grid might be guilty of this. We aren't watching sport. F1 is a float parade.

They were trying to keep Webber's car going for him. It's called technology, and telemetry advantage.

Ferrari = Team orders = Austria 2002 = FARCE.

[Juliet P]

Ridiculous. How can one say this is a sport when someone other than the participants can determine the outcome? I also found incredulous that Red Bull told Webber to short shift into seventh or they would turn his revs down. Now we all know that the teams have that capability. But for them to come out and SAY it just tells me that the cars might as well be driven by remote control. So even if their intervention was to save the car, Red Bull are just as guilty of team orders as Ferrari was. Who to tell? The whole grid might be guilty of this. We aren't watching sport. F1 is a float parade.

This is a) off topic and b) wrong - it was Renault and Petrov. They were engine-managing.

[Mikepritchard2]

Ban Ferrari for the next race only way to make teams understand no team orders rule it's race fixing blatant hefty fines aswell multi million pound fines

[MAD MAX]

An now Alonso is lying in the press conference. To$$er.

[Hexagram]

Ridiculous. How can one say this is a sport when someone other than the participants can determine the outcome? I also found incredulous that Red Bull told Webber to short shift into seventh or they would turn his revs down. Now we all know that the teams have that capability. But for them to come out and SAY it just tells me that the cars might as well be driven by remote control. So even if their intervention was to save the car, Red Bull are just as guilty of team orders as Ferrari was. Who to tell? The whole grid might be guilty of this. We aren't watching sport. F1 is a float parade.

This is a) off topic and b) wrong - it was Renault and Petrov. They were engine-managing.

Don't forget Kimi moving over for Massa in 2008 in the exact same manner.

[DOOOMKULTUS]

To me F1 is a team sport and i don't really care if team orders are given, I blame the FIA for bringing in the rules making Team orders illegal.
Its a team sport not tennis.
Besides, every team gives team orders to varying degrees, depending upon the context.

[bud]

To me F1 is a team sport and i don't really care if team orders are given, I blame the FIA for bringing in the rules making Team orders illegal.
Its a team sport not tennis.

another rule change Ferrari might call for tomorrow then?

will Ferrari be DSQ from the race is the big question, its clear that Massa was given the order, he clearly short shifted to let Fernando by its all there for the stewards to punish if they follow the rules!

[stonemonkey]

s*** happens, considering the points it was the logical thing to do but really shabby on Massa. Other teams have done the same but the staff involved in this felt for Massa and made it all more obvious and public.
I hope Alonso enjoys celebrating his win.

[McLaren]

To me F1 is a team sport and i don't really care if team orders are given, I blame the FIA for bringing in the rules making Team orders illegal.
Its a team sport not tennis.

another rule change Ferrari might call for tomorrow then?

will Ferrari be DSQ from the race is the big question, its clear that Massa was given the order, he clearly short shifted to let Fernando by its all there for the stewards to punish if they follow the rules!

No nothing will happen its Ferrari they're allowed to do what they like,as they showed today

[DOOOMKULTUS]

another rule change Ferrari might call for tomorrow then?

Rules regarding team orders should not have been changed in the first place after Austria,
but now that it has happens fine the team (not the drivers) and bring old rules back, Its a team sport and teams should be allowed to work like a team.

[f1ea]

Don't forget Kimi moving over for Massa in 2008 in the exact same manner.

There was no outrage then.

[pos68]

The race completely sucked. Since rules and regulations where changed in 2002 how can a team blatantly get away with this ...... after a rule is a rule be it is motor racing or in every day life .....

I think they should be punished, the whole team ..... unfortunately Massa will suffer in this too but at the end of the day it was A TEAM ORDER and the whole team should be punished ..... take the points off them and promote the following three drivers.

The teams in motor racing need to know this kind of action will not be tolerated .... both by the sports organisers and the general public who like to see a RACE and not a FARCE.

[MAD MAX]

Its was shabby and disgusting. Its almost a yr to the day when Felipe was nearly killed, to do that to him today and rob him of victory is a downright disgrace. I hated Alonso before, but after hearing his blubbing on the radio today, I detest him even more.

The poor kid was gutted, he even had to endure Stefano drag him and Mr 2 times back out onto the podium after the presentation to put on some sort of pathetic unity to the crowd. F1 was robbed today of integrity.

Has anyone any news on any investigation by the FIA?

[bud]

Don't forget Kimi moving over for Massa in 2008 in the exact same manner.

There was no outrage then.

second last race of the year wasnt it? Massa can still win the title this year.... oh and it wasnt for the win! not exactly the same manner after all eh!