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[Hammer278]

We had this in Australia though they didn't have the opportunity to race each other, Lewis was overtaking people left and right while Alonso was waiting for "pitstops" the whole race. Would have loved a head-to-head between them though.

Did you watch Australia with your eyes closed?

You also missed the part where Lewis kinda struggled to overtake Alonso despite Lewis having fresher tyres, although that was back when the Ferrari was faster then the McLaren.

I'm sorry, but I watched the race where Lewis was tagged by Mark Webber as SOON as they both caught up to Alonso and Lewis was making his move on ALonso. You might have watched a different race in your dream which caused for permanent 'inception' in your subconscious...if you've watched this movie. I mean, jeez!! You call this an argument?

How did Lewis have enough time for his frustration to bulid at being unable to pass Alonso to the point where he said: "why did you pit me in" if it happened as SOON as you claimed.

I watched it in the bbc, and can also recall Brundel commenting about the dirty air affect again.

Instead of being behind ALonso, Lewis could have been racing his teammate or leading the race if his team didn't bungle up his strategy that's what he meant. He took 3 pitstops when he didn't need to. The team admitted to underestimating the tyre life didn't they.

Okay, so he might have taken a lap or two to size up the Ferrari's strengths/weaknesses. Are we judging Lewis now based on how "long" he takes to overtake? I guess that's the only barometer left since we're pretty damn clear he's the best racer in the field right now.

[Diplomatic Immunity]

F Ferrari

[vaptin]

We had this in Australia though they didn't have the opportunity to race each other, Lewis was overtaking people left and right while Alonso was waiting for "pitstops" the whole race. Would have loved a head-to-head between them though.

Did you watch Australia with your eyes closed?

You also missed the part where Lewis kinda struggled to overtake Alonso despite Lewis having fresher tyres, although that was back when the Ferrari was faster then the McLaren.

I'm sorry, but I watched the race where Lewis was tagged by Mark Webber as SOON as they both caught up to Alonso and Lewis was making his move on ALonso. You might have watched a different race in your dream which caused for permanent 'inception' in your subconscious...if you've watched this movie. I mean, jeez!! You call this an argument?

How did Lewis have enough time for his frustration to bulid at being unable to pass Alonso to the point where he said: "why did you pit me in" if it happened as SOON as you claimed.

I watched it in the bbc, and can also recall Brundel commenting about the dirty air affect again.

Instead of being behind ALonso, Lewis could have been racing his teammate or leading the race if his team didn't bungle up his strategy that's what he meant. He took 3 pitstops when he didn't need to. The team admitted to underestimating the tyre life didn't they.

Okay, so he might have taken a lap or two to size up the Ferrari's strengths/weaknesses. Are we judging Lewis now based on how "long" he takes to overtake? I guess that's the only barometer left since we're pretty damn clear he's the best racer in the field right now.

Why did Lewis wait until he was stuck behind Alonso to complain then? I'm not really judging Lewis at all, you said they diddn't have the opportunity to race each other. . .

[billindenver]

. Are we judging Lewis now based on how "long" he takes to overtake? I guess that's the only barometer left since we're pretty damn clear he's the best racer in the field right now.

You and perhaps 4 or 5 others are clear on that, the rest of the world is far less certain. Those who aren't in love with a single driver admit that many drivers in the field could be considered the best, but it's impossible to tell since the car has SO much impact on overall speed. Webber is a perfect example, as is Button, and Alonso. Put a great driver in a crap car and there is very little they can do to drag that car to the front consistently. Put them in a capable car and voila...front runners. Your hero is another example. Wins the WDC one year...sucks hind titty the next. You can't show that Lewis is the best in the field any more than someone who believes Kubica is.

[vaptin]

It's quite clearly Badoer

[kerc]

In general terms, I think that Alonso is the most complete driver in the grid right now. Lately his mind has not been 100% there, though, and the car and team have been rather lackluster. I do prefer Lewis' driving style, it's like he's still karting, lots of fun.

I want Ferrari to get back in shape--I love to see them and my team, McLaren, having a good scrap on the track. It's a classic rivalry! Could it be possible for a man to like both teams? Yes! Look at me.

[texasmr2]

Could it be possible for a man to like both teams?

According to some others here NO it is not possible.

[bud]

Think we'd see peace in the Gaza strip before that's possible

[What's Burning?]

Peace in the middle east.

[supeindesu]

What really happened (Whiting, you're lying...):
http://axisofoversteer.blogspot.com/201 ... s-fia.html

[myownalias]

What really happened (Whiting, you're lying...):
http://axisofoversteer.blogspot.com/201 ... s-fia.html

Frankly I am more inclined to believe Whiting than anyone from Ferrari, there is one simple way to resolve this; the FIA should release the entire radio conversations between race control and Ferrari. Bottom line here is that Alonso made an illegal pass and should have been a good sportsman and left Kubica re-pass, punishment wouldn't have been needed; and Alonso still would have gained the position five minutes later. Alonso and Ferrari really have no-one to blame but themselves; asking for a rule change because that didn't follow the spirit of F1 rules is complete and utter bullpoo!

[What's Burning?]

If it contradicts anything Ferrari is saying you know they'll respond.

If Ferrari get a podium or a win tomorrow though, it will all be water under the bridge for them.

[supeindesu]

What really happened (Whiting, you're lying...):
http://axisofoversteer.blogspot.com/201 ... s-fia.html

Frankly I am more inclined to believe Whiting than anyone from Ferrari, there is one simple way to resolve this; the FIA should release the entire radio conversations between race control and Ferrari. Bottom line here is that Alonso made an illegal pass and should have been a good sportsman and left Kubica re-pass, punishment wouldn't have been needed; and Alonso still would have gained the position five minutes later. Alonso and Ferrari really have no-one to blame but themselves; asking for a rule change because that didn't follow the spirit of F1 rules is complete and utter bullpoo!

Then tell me about the LH safety-car incident...

[myownalias]

What really happened (Whiting, you're lying...):
http://axisofoversteer.blogspot.com/201 ... s-fia.html

Frankly I am more inclined to believe Whiting than anyone from Ferrari, there is one simple way to resolve this; the FIA should release the entire radio conversations between race control and Ferrari. Bottom line here is that Alonso made an illegal pass and should have been a good sportsman and left Kubica re-pass, punishment wouldn't have been needed; and Alonso still would have gained the position five minutes later. Alonso and Ferrari really have no-one to blame but themselves; asking for a rule change because that didn't follow the spirit of F1 rules is complete and utter bullpoo!

Then tell me about the LH safety-car incident...

Ferrari have a point with that one; Hamilton did escape serious punishment because of the FIA's inability to organise their safety car procedure.

[f1ea]

What strikes funny is that this yr the FIA bought expert drivers to help the stewards with diffiult decision, in other words, to have a real sporting view on the regulations instead of literal application of the rules. And on the contrary, the way regulations have been applied this yr has been far less sportingly than the past couple yrs.

Theres been several penalties handed (and unhanded) out this yr that made absolutely no sporting sense.