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[myownalias]

Right now Jenson is not performing as well as Lewis, the points table shows that, but at the same time; 12 points behind with 25 available for a win, seven pts difference to second and a further three to third, ten pts between first and third; that makes a huge difference to the championship as it stands. F1 is as much about luck as it is driving ability; mechanical failures, accidents etc, Ineluke, you make it sound like Lewis is comprehensively beating Jenson, that is not the case, swings and roundabouts. Just because Lewis has the upper hand now doesn't mean it will remain that way in the second half of the season!

[Bruno_Brazil]

Right now Jenson is not performing as well as Lewis, the points table shows that, but at the same time; 12 points behind with 25 available for a win, seven pts difference to second and a further three to third, ten pts between first and third; that makes a huge difference to the championship as it stands. F1 is as much about luck as it is driving ability; mechanical failures, accidents etc, Ineluke, you make it sound like Lewis is comprehensively beating Jenson, that is not the case, swings and roundabouts. Just because Lewis has the upper hand now doesn't mean it will remain that way in the second half of the season!

you're damn right again!
especially here: F1 is as much about luck as it is driving ability

[vindicator86]

To say Jenson is performing better then Lewis. Who spent half a GP behind the Sluggish Schumacher in Catalunya? If lewis hadnt of crashed that was a podium finish.

Jenson is alot like a load of other drivers, Win from the front or under odd circumstances. To chuck button in P10 and say get a Podium is something very unlikely to see. Where as i can imagine lewis going on and achieving it,

To be fair, all but 3 of Lewis's wins have come from pole. One of those because of the cars in front taking each other out and the other because of a safety car, both which would qualify as odd circumstances.

To be fair, the way F1 is today with tracks circuits and car design, you pretty much have to screw up to NOT win from Pole.

Exactly, however some people would have you believe that winning from pole is a sin .

[Ineluke]

Right now Jenson is not performing as well as Lewis, the points table shows that, but at the same time; 12 points behind with 25 available for a win, seven pts difference to second and a further three to third, ten pts between first and third; that makes a huge difference to the championship as it stands. F1 is as much about luck as it is driving ability; mechanical failures, accidents etc, Ineluke, you make it sound like Lewis is comprehensively beating Jenson, that is not the case, swings and roundabouts. Just because Lewis has the upper hand now doesn't mean it will remain that way in the second half of the season!

As it stands now he is beating Jenson, forget the comprehensively bit, the fact is he is out performing Jenson in the same car. As i said in my post, of course Jenson can still win just like 4 other drivers but to do that he really needs to hope Lewis is not at the top of his game. Let's be honest shall we, the fact remains that Jenson is not in the same league as Lewis, he isn't as fast and he really suffers from poor qualifying which is his fault not the car.

I can't see Jenson gaining on Lewis bar a run of chance results. As Mark Hughes said, Lewis is the man to beat, he is at the top of his game and Jenson has no answer. Ill agree that we still have a lot to play for but button really needs to come with something special to beat his team mate.

At the end of the season their can be no excuse for Lewis or Jenson, that's why i like it when i hear the Jenson fans posting about Lewis not having any favouritism,it's great.

I am really looking forward to what answers Jenson has this weekend because he really needs to start showing this top driver that you think he is,rather than a chance man.

[myownalias]

As it stands now he is beating Jenson, forget the comprehensively bit, the fact is he is out performing Jenson in the same car. As i said in my post, of course Jenson can still win just like 4 other drivers but to do that he really needs to hope Lewis is not at the top of his game. Let's be honest shall we, the fact remains that Jenson is not in the same league as Lewis, he isn't as fast and he really suffers from poor qualifying which is his fault not the car.

They may have the same base equipment; but because of their driving styles, probably very different set-ups, In Silverstone Jenson & his mechanics got it wrong and he paid the price; and he worked hard to get upto fourth place, one place off the podium, if that's not world champion's performance I don't know what is!

I can't see Jenson gaining on Lewis bar a run of chance results. As Mark Hughes said, Lewis is the man to beat, he is at the top of his game and Jenson has no answer. Ill agree that we still have a lot to play for but button really needs to come with something special to beat his team mate.

Maybe he will, maybe he won't time will tell!

At the end of the season their can be no excuse for Lewis or Jenson, that's why i like it when i hear the Jenson fans posting about Lewis not having any favouritism,it's great.

I have never claimed (or remember anyone but the media speculating) that Lewis was going to be favoured, especially under Martin Whitmarsh!

I am really looking forward to what answers Jenson has this weekend because he really needs to start showing this top driver that you think he is,rather than a chance man.

As a driver you need to take your chances, it's always a game of chance to a certain extent; Lewis gambled with passing the safety car in Valencia and he got away with it, that was a chance, Ferrari did have a point with that one; the punishment too way too long to be handed down allowing Lewis to pump in the fast laps he needed to stay ahead!

So if Jenson beats Lewis and closes the gap or overtakes Lewis in the championship, you'll eat your words???

[Ineluke]

As it stands now he is beating Jenson, forget the comprehensively bit, the fact is he is out performing Jenson in the same car. As i said in my post, of course Jenson can still win just like 4 other drivers but to do that he really needs to hope Lewis is not at the top of his game. Let's be honest shall we, the fact remains that Jenson is not in the same league as Lewis, he isn't as fast and he really suffers from poor qualifying which is his fault not the car.

They may have the same base equipment; but because of their driving styles, probably very different set-ups, In Silverstone Jenson & his mechanics got it wrong and he paid the price; and he worked hard to get upto fourth place, one place off the podium, if that's not world champion's performance I don't know what is!

Driving styles! The point is they are in the same car,their can be no excuse .For the last five races Lewis has out driven Jenson Button, this we can agree on. So what your saying it''s Jenson's team that are to blame, lol, making excuse already. Yeah, he got up to forth but that's not going to win him the championship ship is it.

I can't see Jenson gaining on Lewis bar a run of chance results. As Mark Hughes said, Lewis is the man to beat, he is at the top of his game and Jenson has no answer. Ill agree that we still have a lot to play for but button really needs to come with something special to beat his team mate.

Maybe he will, maybe he won't time will tell!

Maybe he will maybe he won't but he really needs to come with better if he is going to, that means Lewis getting losing his edge,it's not going to happen.

At the end of the season their can be no excuse for Lewis or Jenson, that's why i like it when i hear the Jenson fans posting about Lewis not having any favouritism,it's great.

I have never claimed (or remember anyone but the media speculating) that Lewis was going to be favoured, especially under Martin Whitmarsh!

Who Claimed you did? You must have me mixed up with another post. All i said is it's great that Martian is saying that because that means their can be no excuses

I am really looking forward to what answers Jenson has this weekend because he really needs to start showing this top driver that you think he is,rather than a chance man.

As a driver you need to take your chances, it's always a game of chance to a certain extent; Lewis gambled with passing the safety car in Valencia and he got away with it, that was a chance, Ferrari did have a point with that one; the punishment too way too long to be handed down allowing Lewis to pump in the fast laps he needed to stay ahead!

That was just one race, Lewis has beat him the last five and it would of been six without the chance puncher. Where has Jenson been in the last five races.Lewis has out qualified Jenson in the last four races in the same car, that's not the mechanics fault that's Jenson's.
So if Jenson beats Lewis and closes the gap or overtakes Lewis in the championship, you'll eat your words???

I said that unless Jenson gets a bit of chance or Lewis messes up i can't see Jenson overtaking him in the championship or closing the gap,don't know if ill eat my words, i think that would be impossible but ill give him credit for it. Now, will you be eating your words if i am proved right which as it stands now looks very lightly.

[myownalias]

I don't believe that Lewis is better than Jenson, who is going to win the championship is anyone's guess at this point, it's all about personal opinions, I haven't seen anything that puts Lewis head and shoulders above Jenson at this time. Jenson is new the McLaren whereas Lewis is in his fourth season with McLaren, I think Jenson has done well; there is no doubt that Lewis is better with a poorly performing car, but Jenson managed to move up from 14th to fourth in a car he really wasn't happy with, pretty good performance I would say! I make no excuses for Jenson (I did say Jenson and his mechanics), he got it wrong and paid the price of qualifying in 14th. I have no words to eat; I never said that Jenson was going to win the German GP or the championships; I believe it will end up being close; less than 10pts between the McLaren drivers. Lewis has been massively over-hyped by the British media, much in the same way that the English football team are over-hyped! Ultimately both driver have won two races; call Jenson's wins lucky if you like; in my opinion, Jenson took a risk with his decisions and they paid off! At the half way point of the season, Lewis is only 12 points ahead, everything to play for!!!

[stonemonkey]

To say Jenson is performing better then Lewis. Who spent half a GP behind the Sluggish Schumacher in Catalunya? If lewis hadnt of crashed that was a podium finish.

Jenson is alot like a load of other drivers, Win from the front or under odd circumstances. To chuck button in P10 and say get a Podium is something very unlikely to see. Where as i can imagine lewis going on and achieving it,

He wasn't far off a podium from starting 14th at Silverstone, at the start of the season I didn't think there would be much between them if the Mclaren was a decent car but if the car wasn't so good then Lewis would be able to make better use of it which so far looks to me like the case as it doesn't look like a good car for quali but it is a good car for the race. If they can get the car working better in quali I think it'll close the gap between them.

Let me understand this..

1. Has Jenson Button got access to the same car as Lewis with the same set ups made available?

2. Are you saying that if McLaren get the car up to scratch Lewis will get slower and Jenson all of a sudden get quicker?

By your reckoning Jenson should be on par with Lewis now, he has no excuse because he is in exactly the same car, right?

Jenson has the problem with qualifying not Lewis, you really think that having a better car will help Jenson more than it will Lewis, LOL.

Let's be honest shall we. Jenson Button is not performing the same as Lewis is with the same car and all set ups made available to him,that should tell you something. He lacks Lewis's qualifying pace in the same car and he lacks Lewis's race pace in the same car, this is fact.The only thing that Jenson has or had over Lewis was strategy but even that is not enough.

If you really think the upgrades will help Jenson and not Lewis then it's just wishful thinking on your part. Could Jenson still win, yes of course he could but to beat Lewis or Mark and Sebastian, he really needs a miracle.

No, what I was saying is that for the way Jenson drives he needs a decent performing/handling car and given that then they will both be pretty close, if the car's not so good and has problems Lewis can get more out of it than Jenson. For whatever reason, and Mclaren along with both drivers have admitted this, the car is not so good and has problems in qualifying but is very good in the races. Upgrades/improvements and better setup will help both drivers but will level the playing field between them to some extent.
So in qualifying where the car is not so good Jenson suffers more than Lewis but in race conditions maybe because of heavier fuel loads and the need to drive differently for fuel/tyre management the car is much more suited the difference between them is nowhere near what their qualifying pace suggests.

[f1ea]

Big problem is Q. More or less the same with Massa and Heidfeld, Kimi last seasons... for some reason getting the temperature is no problem for some, and a big unending problem for others. Once tires are ok, they are able to perform adequately, but in Q the damage is done.

[Ineluke]

To say Jenson is performing better then Lewis. Who spent half a GP behind the Sluggish Schumacher in Catalunya? If lewis hadnt of crashed that was a podium finish.

Jenson is alot like a load of other drivers, Win from the front or under odd circumstances. To chuck button in P10 and say get a Podium is something very unlikely to see. Where as i can imagine lewis going on and achieving it,

He wasn't far off a podium from starting 14th at Silverstone, at the start of the season I didn't think there would be much between them if the Mclaren was a decent car but if the car wasn't so good then Lewis would be able to make better use of it which so far looks to me like the case as it doesn't look like a good car for quali but it is a good car for the race. If they can get the car working better in quali I think it'll close the gap between them.

Let me understand this..

1. Has Jenson Button got access to the same car as Lewis with the same set ups made available?

2. Are you saying that if McLaren get the car up to scratch Lewis will get slower and Jenson all of a sudden get quicker?

By your reckoning Jenson should be on par with Lewis now, he has no excuse because he is in exactly the same car, right?

Jenson has the problem with qualifying not Lewis, you really think that having a better car will help Jenson more than it will Lewis, LOL.

Let's be honest shall we. Jenson Button is not performing the same as Lewis is with the same car and all set ups made available to him,that should tell you something. He lacks Lewis's qualifying pace in the same car and he lacks Lewis's race pace in the same car, this is fact.The only thing that Jenson has or had over Lewis was strategy but even that is not enough.

If you really think the upgrades will help Jenson and not Lewis then it's just wishful thinking on your part. Could Jenson still win, yes of course he could but to beat Lewis or Mark and Sebastian, he really needs a miracle.

No, what I was saying is that for the way Jenson drives he needs a decent performing/handling car and given that then they will both be pretty close, if the car's not so good and has problems Lewis can get more out of it than Jenson. For whatever reason, and Mclaren along with both drivers have admitted this, the car is not so good and has problems in qualifying but is very good in the races. Upgrades/improvements and better setup will help both drivers but will level the playing field between them to some extent.
So in qualifying where the car is not so good Jenson suffers more than Lewis but in race conditions maybe because of heavier fuel loads and the need to drive differently for fuel/tyre management the car is much more suited the difference between them is nowhere near what their qualifying pace suggests.

"Lewis can get more out of it than Jenson. For whatever reason"

Lol, the reason is Lewis performs better in the car, that can only be the reason. I know it's hard to admit for some but it's the truth.

Anyway, we have plenty of races left and i will enjoy having this conversation at the end of the season.

[Ineluke]

I don't believe that Lewis is better than Jenson, who is going to win the championship is anyone's guess at this point, it's all about personal opinions, I haven't seen anything that puts Lewis head and shoulders above Jenson at this time. Jenson is new the McLaren whereas Lewis is in his fourth season with McLaren, I think Jenson has done well; there is no doubt that Lewis is better with a poorly performing car, but Jenson managed to move up from 14th to fourth in a car he really wasn't happy with, pretty good performance I would say! I make no excuses for Jenson (I did say Jenson and his mechanics), he got it wrong and paid the price of qualifying in 14th. I have no words to eat; I never said that Jenson was going to win the German GP or the championships; I believe it will end up being close; less than 10pts between the McLaren drivers. Lewis has been massively over-hyped by the British media, much in the same way that the English football team are over-hyped! Ultimately both driver have won two races; call Jenson's wins lucky if you like; in my opinion, Jenson took a risk with his decisions and they paid off! At the half way point of the season, Lewis is only 12 points ahead, everything to play for!!!

Less than 10 points , ill hold you to that one.

Jenson managed to move up to 14th, yeah he did but look what happened in that first lap. As long as Jenson keeps messing up in qualifying he will not win or beat Lewis,that's what i mean by Lewis messing up rather than Jenson upping his game. Don't mistake me for a non McLaren fan, i have followed them all my F1 days not just because i like a certain driver,that's just a bonus.

Jenson is doing a good job in helping us win the constructors, can't knock him for that.

[stonemonkey]

Lewis can get more out of it than Jenson. For whatever reason"

Lol, the reason is Lewis performs better in the car, that can only be the reason. I know it's hard to admit for some but it's the truth.

Anyway, we have plenty of races left and i will enjoy having this conversation at the end of the season.

I see you don't understand punctuation, please don't quote like that.

[racechick]

I don't believe that Lewis is better than Jenson, who is going to win the championship is anyone's guess at this point, it's all about personal opinions, I haven't seen anything that puts Lewis head and shoulders above Jenson at this time. Jenson is new the McLaren whereas Lewis is in his fourth season with McLaren, I think Jenson has done well; there is no doubt that Lewis is better with a poorly performing car, but Jenson managed to move up from 14th to fourth in a car he really wasn't happy with, pretty good performance I would say! I make no excuses for Jenson (I did say Jenson and his mechanics), he got it wrong and paid the price of qualifying in 14th. I have no words to eat; I never said that Jenson was going to win the German GP or the championships; I believe it will end up being close; less than 10pts between the McLaren drivers. Lewis has been massively over-hyped by the British media, much in the same way that the English football team are over-hyped! Ultimately both driver have won two races; call Jenson's wins lucky if you like; in my opinion, Jenson took a risk with his decisions and they paid off! At the half way point of the season, Lewis is only 12 points ahead, everything to play for!!!

Jens was hyped as well, and hill, and Mansell, all were hyped, thats what the media do. I imagine alonso is massively overhyped in Spain and Vettel is massively overhyped in germany. Media hype is irrelevant really, its what the drivers do on the track that matters, and lewis delivers. Jens has impresed this year but he's not in lewis' league, close but not there. He needs the car exactly right to perform, he's admitted that. he had the car excactly how he likes it in Chinea and Turkey, and lewis was faster, he's admitted that too. Can jens still win the championship? Yes of course he can. Is he likely to beat Lewis? Well I know where Id put my money. But if he wins......kudos to him.

[myownalias]

Jens was hyped as well, and hill, and Mansell, all were hyped, thats what the media do. I imagine alonso is massively overhyped in Spain and Vettel is massively overhyped in germany. Media hype is irrelevant really, its what the drivers do on the track that matters, and lewis delivers. Jens has impresed this year but he's not in lewis' league, close but not there. He needs the car exactly right to perform, he's admitted that. he had the car excactly how he likes it in Chinea and Turkey, and lewis was faster, he's admitted that too. Can jens still win the championship? Yes of course he can. Is he likely to beat Lewis? Well I know where Id put my money. But if he wins......kudos to him.

Lewis has been hyped much more than Jenson, Damon and Nigel, I know you wont agree with that statement, but the three other Britons didn't/don't appear in the media half as much as Lewis Hamilton does. I'm really annoyed with the media going on like Jenson stands no chance of beating Lewis; this season has been of two phases so far; Jenson had the better of the first quarter of the season, and Lewis has had the better of the second quarter. I don't think there is much to split the two, to say that Jenson isn't in Lewis' league is ridiculous; all F1 drivers are in the same league; hence why they are F1 drivers, just that some have better equipment than others. Lewis and Jenson have the same car; but two completely different drivers in style; Lewis can wrestle a car into submission but Jenson has the silky smooth driving style that often pays dividends, some tracks with suit Lewis' aggression, other's will suit Jenson's smoothness. I am not going to call who will win the drivers title this year, it could be any one of four drivers, one thing I can guarantee is that the rivalry between Lewis and Jenson will hot up before the end of the season, we saw a little glimpse of that in Turkey with Jenson's overtake.

[racechick]

Jens was hyped as well, and hill, and Mansell, all were hyped, thats what the media do. I imagine alonso is massively overhyped in Spain and Vettel is massively overhyped in germany. Media hype is irrelevant really, its what the drivers do on the track that matters, and lewis delivers. Jens has impresed this year but he's not in lewis' league, close but not there. He needs the car exactly right to perform, he's admitted that. he had the car excactly how he likes it in Chinea and Turkey, and lewis was faster, he's admitted that too. Can jens still win the championship? Yes of course he can. Is he likely to beat Lewis? Well I know where Id put my money. But if he wins......kudos to him.

Lewis has been hyped much more than Jenson, Damon and Nigel, I know you wont agree with that statement, but the three other Britons didn't/don't appear in the media half as much as Lewis Hamilton does. I'm really annoyed with the media going on like Jenson stands no chance of beating Lewis; this season has been of two phases so far; Jenson had the better of the first quarter of the season, and Lewis has had the better of the second quarter. I don't think there is much to split the two, to say that Jenson isn't in Lewis' league is ridiculous; all F1 drivers are in the same league; hence why they are F1 drivers, just that some have better equipment than others. Lewis and Jenson have the same car; but two completely different drivers in style; Lewis can wrestle a car into submission but Jenson has the silky smooth driving style that often pays dividends, some tracks with suit Lewis' aggression, other's will suit Jenson's smoothness. I am not going to call who will win the drivers title this year, it could be any one of four drivers, one thing I can guarantee is that the rivalry between Lewis and Jenson will hot up before the end of the season, we saw a little glimpse of that in Turkey with Jenson's overtake.

Issues with the overtake were to do with the mixed messages from the team not the overtake itself.
Yes of course most F1 drivers are amongst the best in the world, when i said different league I was speaking metaphorically..... Ok.... there is a small difference in performance between these two top class drivers.I know their styles are different and some prefer one, some prefer the other, but one is more often more effective than the other. I dont really care what the media say about lewis, they've talked plenty of crap both for and equally against him. And ive not heard the media writing Jenson off but If they did Id ignore that too. Mansell mania was pretty crazy if you can remember and Hill hysteria also, I think things fade in memories over time. But whatever the media say or dont say about lewis he remains the best ever rookie and the youngest ever world champion. Thats not media hype, thats fact.