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#206815
wow, AKR is a knob and has little idea of what happened in his mind. Alonso had over 3 minutes+ to surrender position, Alonso has accepted he is the wrong why cant you?


WOW your an idiot. For starters im not a "his" i'm a "her". Secondly I can tell your clearly anti Ferrari as well. I bet if Hamilton got a penalty you would all be crying like babies saying how Ferrari fixed the race and all and how the FIA is with Ferrari etc etc etc. At the end of the day Alonso shouldn't of received a drive through given Kubica had retired and Alonso would of inherited that spot by default. Had Kubica not retired, then that would of been different. All you anti Ferrari people have nothing better but to pick on Ferrari and in particular Fernando Alonso. And Alonso i doubt has "really" accepted he was wrong. He clearly doesn't want the same media attention he got after the safety car incident at Valencia. Don't worry Alonso is a Spaniard and he and I think alike, which is the right way of thinking.


Wow, I didn't know a penalty for passing by going offtrack would be cancelled out if the driver that was passed went out of the race shortly after, in that case how on earth did Hamilton get the penalty for doing the exact same thing to Kimi in Spa when Kimi crashed out less than a lap later, and at least he'd made an attempt to give the position back.

(I don't think even the cry baby Hamilton/Mclaren fans tried to use that one)


I have had enough of this twisting of facts and comparing to different scenarios. ¡Basta! ¡Déjame en paz!



Funny thing is were not twisting facts. We state the truth, your in a whole world of your own.

Edit: I enever said you was a "his or "her" the k-nob can be used for either umpalumpa.

Please your into too deep you should take a vacation from this website until perhaps Alonso wins his next race (if he does)
#206816
I have had enough of this twisting of facts and comparing to different scenarios. ¡Basta! ¡Déjame en paz!


Please explain to me what the difference in these scenarios were other than

a) Lewis made an attempt to give the positioon back whereas Alonso just drove away
b) The reason for the iilegally passed car to exit the race

Both scenarios were cars fighting for position and the faster car made an attempt to pass which was made by cutting the 2nd corner of a chicane to avoid collision.

What facts have I twisted?
#206821
They are pretty much out of the constructors, Massa has no chance at the drivers, Alonso has a slim chance but if he can't get Hamilton out of his head he won't even have that.
#206824
No you can't.

Alonso cheated and the punishment has been and always will be a drive through if you don't give the place back! The fact Kubica retired is just bad luck.
How about blaming Alonso for not giving the place back straight away! A driver of his calibre should know better!


Why would you waste your time in replying to a Ferrari fan...even the team doesn't know the basic rules you can't blame the fans for not knowing them. You represent the fanbase of the team currently leading both Championships...why argue with the once powerful team - turn joke briggade.... :hehe:


You are just a biased anti Ferrari fan. But the reality is that Ferrari are F1 and McLaren in particular are meaningless. Just like yourself, bud and Ivey who are in the real world outside this forum plagued with anti Ferrari fans just a bunch of clueless, cultureless meaningless beings. :thumbup:


:hehe: The clueless, cultureless meaningless beings sure enjoyed the British GP way more than you did mate. I'm such a happy loser! :hehe:

The British GP was an insignificant event compared to the football world cup final in which Spain won. ¡Vete al carajo, tú i tu raza de mierda! jajajajajajajajaja


This worse case of "PMS" I have seen in a long time :hehe:

We call Nando "CLAG", cries like a girl :rofl:
#206827
I apologise AKR. I was not aware that you're a woman.

The manner in which you're posting I can only imagine it is the time of the month and how much it is hurting. As I am not able to feel this kind of pain, I will gracefully back off and not post in response to you until...say, 1 week later? Your body might be pumping blood back to your brain by then I presume. All the best, and talk to you in a week. :wavey:
#206828
Ok biased McLaren supporters. You want to argue all day long. You can only know what you read I guess and most of you here a limited to English. And in the English media there is far to much bias on one end only. But let me see, I can speak 5 languages one of them being the best one when on an international level. Ohh I mean Spanish by the way not English.(And that isn't biased because I am neither English nor Spanish). But below is an article from http://www.thef1.com, a Spanish F1 website. Now if you can read Spanish great, if you can't I guess cut and paste it into google to have an idea what it is about. Anyway to summarise it, Heidfeld tells the German media how stuipid the incident was and how the penalty was contraversial but fair, (just like you McLaren geeks believe), but it clearly states that ALonso himself doesn't accept it. No, no, no. Although I didn't really need to read this to already know that what was written in the English media about Alonso accepting the punsihment was actually not fact. Alonso was clearly being sarcastic when he said he accepted what the stewards decided on. He made comments such as, had there been a wall there, Kubica would of been peanlised as Kubica forced Alonso off and had there really been a wall, well we all know what would of happened instead. Oh and I love this one, Alonso grinned (being saracastic and showing it) when asked if the penalty was unfair, he said no that the stewards are always fair. It also states that Heidfeld's comments that state the penalty as fair on German TV are contraversial. Ahh Alonso's comments and the way it is actually written in Spanish explains it well. But I guess the true context would be lost in translation so if you can't read Spanish, I cannot really help you understand.

Article in Spanish from website http://www.thef1.com

Heidfield: "Lo ocurrido fue sencillamente estúpido"
Alonso acabó el Gran Premio muy enfadado

Alonso y Kubica durante la carrera
Nick Heidfield comentó a una televisión alemana que Alonso debió de haber dejado pasar a Kubica, y no dudo en calificar de "estúpida" lo sucedido. Por otra parte, ayer pudimos ver a un Alonso muy sarcástico con laprensa. En esta ocasión no habló abiertamente, sino que prefirió hablar entre líneas.
Según informó la BBC, y según las declaraciones de Fernando Alonso, el piloto asturiano de Ferrari estaba muy enfadado una vez acabado el Gran Premio de Gran Bretaña.
La polémica, pero justa sanción, recordó al Drive Through que recibió Lewis Hamilton en Valencia hace dos semanas. Los comisarios decidieron sancionar al asturiano con un paso por boxes debido a que el asturiano no dejaba pasar a Robert Kubica.
Ni Ferrari ni Alonso quisieron devolverle la posición al polaco de Renault, y cuando se anunció la sanción Kubica ya se había retirado. La sanción de Fernando Alonso fue anunciada instantes antes de que el Safety Car entrase a la pista, debido a que unas piezas del alerón trasero del C29 de Pedro de la Rosa habían quedado sobre el asfalto de la recta principal.
Fernando Alonso se mostró sarcástico y enfadado con los comisarios, aunque en esta ocasión no habló tan abiertamente como en Valencia. No obstante, prefirió lanzar dardos envenenados. "Acepto todo lo que hacen (los comisarios)", dijo el asturiano.
"Si hubiese habido un muro en vez de hierba seguro que Kubica habría sido penalizado. El equipo me dijo que me tocó, me dijeron que en la repetición se veía que no me dejó espacio. Tuve que ir por la hierba." Cuando le preguntaron si consideraba que la sanción era injusta, Alonso sonrió y comentó que "no, son siempre justos (los comisarios)".
Stefano Domenicali, por su parte, dijo que lo ocurrido había sido duro para el equipo, pero que Ferrari estaba pendiente de la decisión de la FIA para saber si Alonso debía dejar o no pasar a Robert Kubica. "De lo contrario habría sido acusado de no ser suficientemente agresivo."
La televisión italiana RAI dijo que "los comisarios son nuestros árbitros". Pero mucho más polémicas fueron las declaraciones de Nick Heidfield a la televisión alemana Sky. El piloto reserva de Mercedes comentó que la sanción era justa.
"Estaba claro que iba a ser investigado. Si recibía una sanción quedaría fuera de la carrera y es lo que pasó. Si hubiese dejado pasar a Kubica hubiese perdido una posición pero podría haber vuelto a intentarlo." Según Heidfield, lo ocurrido fue "sencillamente estúpido". (GMM)
#206830
I apologise AKR. I was not aware that you're a woman.

The manner in which you're posting I can only imagine it is the time of the month and how much it is hurting. As I am not able to feel this kind of pain, I will gracefully back off and not post in response to you until...say, 1 week later? Your body might be pumping blood back to your brain by then I presume. All the best, and talk to you in a week. :wavey:


That........ is extremely rude! You don't say that to a woman!

But I guess you were trying to be funny. Very well, I'll pretend I didn't read this. :wink:
#206831
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85214

Read then shut up,

Also i noticed in their that he said on twitter

Ferrari made a reference to the European Grand Prix controversy in its official Twitter account, suggesting Lewis Hamilton should have been punished then like Alonso was today.

"You can just say one thing: if a penalty must be punishing it must be always like this," said the Italian team.


Didnt Hamilton get a penalty?

Alonso could of come straight in to serve his penalty, to avoid the schoolboy. He continued to race.
#206835
Ok biased McLaren supporters. You want to argue all day long.

snip


That's funny.

I would think that Alonso, with his experience, would know what often happens when you try to pass someone through a chicane by entering it at the outside. If there had been a wall there it would've been his own fault if he'd hit it, not Kubicas.
#206836
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85214

Read then shut up,

Also i noticed in their that he said on twitter

Ferrari made a reference to the European Grand Prix controversy in its official Twitter account, suggesting Lewis Hamilton should have been punished then like Alonso was today.

"You can just say one thing: if a penalty must be punishing it must be always like this," said the Italian team.


Didnt Hamilton get a penalty?

Alonso could of come straight in to serve his penalty, to avoid the schoolboy. He continued to race.


If we assume thats not just poor English, then it looks like they meant that the punishment itself should work out equally. In utopian terms they're right, Alonso got it harsh cos of the safety car, and Lewis did benefit from being in front of the safety car more than he lost from the drive through penalty. Obviously, it's not going to work out that way, but I don't think that the writer was suggesting rules change etc. I think he/she was just making a point.
#206840
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85214

Read then shut up,

Also i noticed in their that he said on twitter

Ferrari made a reference to the European Grand Prix controversy in its official Twitter account, suggesting Lewis Hamilton should have been punished then like Alonso was today.

"You can just say one thing: if a penalty must be punishing it must be always like this," said the Italian team.


Didnt Hamilton get a penalty?

Alonso could of come straight in to serve his penalty, to avoid the schoolboy. He continued to race.



On that article it says Alonso said " I accept everything they do. They are the judges," Alonso told Spanish television after the race.

Note he told this to Spanish TV. Now I do not know how many times it has to be said, but he was being sarcastic. If you can read the article I sent in Spanish, on that article it clearly states he was being sarcastic and even the way he replied indicates this. I don't have the actual footage of Alonso speaking, but if I see it, I can already imagine the exact way he would of said it. The same way I would of.

Hamilon's penalty at Valenica was a farse. The stewards waited too long to take action that by the time they did, Hamilton was able to retain his 2nd spot. Had the punished him right away like Alosno was, he would of not come out in second spot.
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