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[bud]

by pitting youre leaving the track so youre allowed to be passed.

[SaintDean]

Like if you come off track during safety car and its your own silly fault, then you risk losing position.

[f1ea]

by pitting youre leaving the track so youre allowed to be passed.

ok. changed the other post.....

You are not expected to race more than 15 laps, because you are not expected to be racing under the SC. So, in the end it will remain a 1 lap-worth of time lost. The difference with the fuel scenario, is that 1 extra lap on low fuel can stop you on track. Yeah, the problem will always be timing... the field gets bunched up. That is inevitable, unless there was some crazy NASA-GPS repositioning system...

The key is, both positions and pitting will be done under green flag. For everyone.

[bud]

I dont know why youre making a fuss ea, seems youre just echoing Ferrari and Fernando here to me! You'll never get a fair SC system, unless they restart the race and place everyone in the exact same position and gap between one another which would be a headache for race control and time consuming for fans.

[f1ea]

I dont know why youre making a fuss ea, seems youre just echoing Ferrari and Fernando here to me! You'll never get a fair SC system, unless they restart the race and place everyone in the exact same position and gap between one another which would be a headache for race control and time consuming for fans.

Where's the fuss?

The fuss went by already and it was for another issue.
The cheat-pts cannot be taken back with or without fuss. So even with a SC ammendement, the results remain cheated

[kerc]

I dont know why youre making a fuss ea, seems youre just echoing Ferrari and Fernando here to me! You'll never get a fair SC system, unless they restart the race and place everyone in the exact same position and gap between one another which would be a headache for race control and time consuming for fans.

Where's the fuss?

The fuss went by already and it was for another issue.
The cheat-pts cannot be taken back with or without fuss. So even with a SC ammendement, the results remain cheated

Cheated?

Ha!

Well, nothing will make you change your wrong point of view...So...

Yes! McLaren cheated!!! And ya know? It feels sooooo good!!!



See ya at Silverstone.

[f1ea]

^ Now that's fuss.

[SaintDean]

This wasnt a cheat because Mclaren was given a penalty because they never lost a position doesnt mean they cheated it means that Kamui was way too slow.

[racechick]

This wasnt a cheat because Mclaren was given a penalty because they never lost a position doesnt mean they cheated it means that Kamui was way too slow.

He knows they didnt cheat. He's just having a hard time of things right now

[f1ea]

This wasnt a cheat because Mclaren was given a penalty because they never lost a position doesnt mean they cheated it means that Kamui was way too slow.

He knows they didnt cheat. He's just having a hard time of things right now

No. I'm just showing Bud what is fuss and what isnt

[kerc]

This wasnt a cheat because Mclaren was given a penalty because they never lost a position doesnt mean they cheated it means that Kamui was way too slow.

He knows they didnt cheat. He's just having a hard time of things right now

No. I'm just showing Bud what is fuss and what isnt

I learned a long time ago not to take the internets too seriously.

[Peng]

A lot of brits, on this forum included, call Ferrari and Alonso sore losers. You
guys love doing that, and it's kind of fun. Yes, the winner takes it all, up to
the point of that coming unfairly. Ferrari, and Alonso, built up a lot of
unhappiness through the recent past, vis-a-vis Mclaren and Hamilton's
practices, and finally snapped big. For the brits, that's difficult to
understand, because you're smarter than that. You conquered the world after
all, through bravery and slyness (ask the french!). By natural law, that deserves
respect. The italians are much less able to restrain their emotions,
and awful at politics. I used to dislike that. The brits are everywhere in
the F1 structure and their subtle ways of out-maneuvering the others are
almost a pleasure to the eye. But when that becomes too apparent, including
this GP, it's no more fun. And the weaker souls will revolt.

In the end, the sense of fairness becomes more precious than winning races and this event
pushed me on the Ferrari side. As far as the drivers, there seem to be many out
there just as, or more talented than Hamilton, (Kubica and Vettel included) while fortunately
lacking his cockish ways. The free pass he's always got for his
offences also comes for an obvious reason. In the US we call it reverse
discrimination. You don't need to agree. Sadly, I think that will hurt his
character down the road.

Alonso couldn't believe the downscaled treatment he's got at Mclaren in '07 and I think he was greatly affected by the misery that followed, at Renault etc. He had high hopes for a competitive car this
year and several circumstances went against him. Then this. I personally
don't see why this many people here call him names. I see him as the best
mixture of talent and brains out on the surface. This last one is for the brits.

Haven't gotten through the entire thread yet but just wanted to quickly comment on this post.

Firstly the decision of if Hamilton had actually passed the safety car at the wrong point wasn't as clear cut as Ferrari and some people seem to claim especially if you were sitting in Hamilton's car at the time, he slowed down slightly when he saw the flag for the safety car and than realized that it hadn't yet exited the pit lane onto the track so he sped up and carried on without realizing the safety car had actually been half a car length ahead of him at the safety car line.

The stewards decision taking so long was bad i would agree but in the end it would have maybe put Button in front of Hamilton and Alonso + Ferrari would still have complained.

Secondly i seriously cannot understand the comment

there seem to be many out
there just as, or more talented than Hamilton, (Kubica and Vettel included)

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Kubica i would agree is extremely suprising this season and i would rate him in the top 5 currently but Vettel apart from being blessed with the fastest car by over a second per lap at times hasn't yet showed this talent you speak of.

I do believe he has the driving ability to become the best but he is still young when it comes to being an F1 driver, he has the pace but so does Webber and Webber until he joined Red Bull was never considered the best F1 driver (i do like Webber i just don't think hes even close to the top 5 drivers in terms of talent).

Compared to Alonso and Hamilton Vettel has not yet shown any real ability other than leading from the front, everytime he has been in the middle of the pack he has either been very mediocre at best or has somehow broken his car.

He is a great driver and if he does manage to win the WDC this year than congrats to him but i think it will be more about the fact the other teams couldn't catch the Red Bull car and not because Red Bull had the more talented drivers.

Also about Alonso since this thread is about him he probably is the most experienced and 1 of the most talented of the top drivers currently but he simply is a child and everytime he gets into his car or on camera he just shows how much of a tool he really is.

Alonso gets some bad luck and reverts back to his idiotic childish vendetta and it actually cost him some extra points since his temper cost him at least 1 place even though i think if he hadn't been so focused on Hamilton he could have easily clawed back a few more places.

Anyways yes i am a Hamilton Fanboy and why? because he is the most fun driver to watch out there, watching someone start from pole have no troubles during the race and glide to a victory without having to even push the car might be fun for some people.

Id personally rather watch someone who can start at the middle of the pack and still have a chance of pulling off a win that doesn't include a pitstop leap and only 2 of the current drivers in my opinion have shown that kind of talent and thats Hamilton and Alonso (and Alonso usually gets too annoyed/unfocused), the other drivers just don't have the talent or maybe just bravery required to do what Hamilton and Alonso do every race day.

Edit: Just wanted to add a little to my point on Vettel.

He has only overtaken in 1 race so far this season and that was China where he was overtaken by both Hamilton and Alonso during that race, he also hasn't overtaken any of the current top 8 in the drivers leaderboard apart from his teammate compared to Hamilton who has overtaken everyone in the top 10 including some several times (hes the only person to do that this season).

So again i don't see the talent vettel supposedly has unless starting on pole being in the fastest car and not breaking that car 50% of the time is considered talent.

[Hammer278]

"Anyways yes i am a Hamilton Fanboy and why? because he is the most fun driver to watch out there, watching someone start from pole have no troubles during the race and glide to a victory without having to even push the car might be fun for some people.

Id personally rather watch someone who can start at the middle of the pack and still have a chance of pulling off a win that doesn't include a pitstop leap and only 2 of the current drivers in my opinion have shown that kind of talent and thats Hamilton and Alonso (and Alonso usually gets too annoyed/unfocused), the other drivers just don't have the talent or maybe just bravery required to do what Hamilton and Alonso do every race day."

Thank you.

So far in EVERY race this season whenever Lewis isn't leading the race you can be sure he's going to be going for an overtake on the car in front of him. I love that never-say-die attitude he has, and boy does he know how to race. Malaysia was the best gauge for a few of the top drivers, as they had to start from the back. Lewis topped them all and showed during the first 5 laps why he's the best 'racer' on the grid today.

Alonso might have been as good before. Since he's joined Ferrari it's almost like he's expecting a free pass to a win in every race and the complaints are endless when circumstances go against him. He's so boring now...I disliked him before though had a lot of respect for his driving. Can't say the same this year. I look forward to Silverstone today and see if he can challenge Lewis this time around.

[Hammer278]

Mr2times does a heroic manouvre on Kubica and tries to desperately justify his actions through the radio. In consequence, the demons posing as race control imposes a penalty robbing Mr2times of another potential victory, which he surely could have gotten if not for the penalty.

God help the front pages after this race. Oh, and yes Mr2times, I'm sure it's Lewis' fault this time around as well.

[vaptin]

^ Don't they call that stuff a strawman argument.

Anyway, wtf was Alonso supposed to do? Kubica broke down.