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[Ron Dennis]

I believe Ferrari showed how they feel about him with his contract renewal also. I also honestly believe that they will support him in every way when he is in the position too secure his first championship. Felipe showed ALOT of character this past weekend, I would support him in any team he drive's for.

No he showed he was a chimp and a cheat

[f1ea]

The stopped within one lap of each other yet Massa came in several laps before Kimi on his second stint and Kimi (oddly enough) came out after his stop in the lead

Massa could have won, just like Alonso. But they could have also DNF'd themselves; all Massa needed was P2. Just like all Hamilton needed was P5.

Mclaren chose to back Lewis openly and even admit they were racing Alonso, not Kimi. And then Alonso was amazingly slower than Hamilton in Brazil and in China. Is it because Lewis is god-incarnate and Scott speed voyeured into Alonso's soul?? Maybe, but there must have been some team strategy there as well.

So, if Lewis decided to settle behind Alonso would he have cheated?? This would have been ridiculously clever. Instead he went ridiculously foolish trying to pass Alonso.

[Ron Dennis]

The racing Alonso was taken out of context and used by the irrational to cement a foundationless set of accusation. McLaren never chose to back Alonso openly, that is an excuse invented by the petulant Spaniard to explain that his rookie team mate was as good (and a lot of the time better) in equal equipment.

It was not a case of Massa could have won - his speed was such that it was 95% certain that he would have in Brazil.

Your last point makes no sense.

[737flier]

One again the old chestnut...

An F1 team that does not pool the drivers observation and settings would not be successful.

Oh the subject of team orders, the FIA is once again unable to be consistent.

Ferrari were correct in giving the advantage to Kimi since he was in the position to win the championship for them, Ron D would have done the same if one of his drivers was not in the running and the other was.

Team orders of the sort that biases a team to give the advantage to one driver at the beginning of the season should be outlawed.

But it has served Ferrari well for many years while MS was the blue eyed boy.

Teams must control drivers and there will always be a fuzzy line between what is good for the team and what is good for the sport.

[Ron Dennis]

What people seem to forget is that Alonso was paid about (off the top of my head) $25,000,000 for his experience. And Hamilton was paid less than a million for his.

That extra amount is paid for a reason.

A driver witholding set up information is unheard of.

Another thing to bear in mind - at tracks where both Alonso AND Hamilton had no prior experience (Japan for instance), Hamilton looked better.

As far as I am concerned Alonso can take his set up experience and shove it where the sun dont shine.

[f1ea]

Your last point makes no sense.

The last point means... if Lewis decided to not push Alonso and remain P4 he would have done basically the same as Massa did by not challenging Kimi and remain P2. I don't see this was unfair treatment to Massa... if Massa outperforms Kimi next year and is in contention for WDC, any team would give him preference...

just the fact that teammates are doing this shows there is even more equality in Ferrari than in Mclaren, if Massa felt he was treated unfarily, he would have surely thrown some fit mid season and given ice-treatment to Kimi or whatever Mclarenians do

bahh this is a silly conversation byebye

[Ron Dennis]

that is just sooooo wong.

Hamilton staying in forth is something he is doing to earn HIS points

Massa letting Kimi win was Massa gifting Kimi points - oh and something that is against the FIA rules.

And how does Ferrari calling team orders mean that the drivers are equal?

Oh and I agree with your last paragraph!

[f1ea]

ok ok so Massa gives Kimi points by staying 2nd, BUT Lewis collects points by staying 4th rather than gifting points to the 3 below. To me in both cases they are surrendering points, so its the same!

AND by this argument being silly means... everyone must agree with me
j/k

[Ron Dennis]

you point is not valid, but there is nothing to be gained by me continually pointing this out.

[darwin dali]

So its not considered a team sport by the FIA as defined by you.

The fact that there is still a WCC is proof that you are wrong.

[Ron Dennis]

but team orders are illegal so not part of the team philosophy as defined by the ruling body!

[darwin dali]

Check this out:

http://formula-1.suite101.com/article.c ... _gp_result

[Ron Dennis]

This was not to have an affect on the title races but rather to ensure the cars got home. However I will give you an 8/10 for effort

[darwin dali]

This seems very generous of you.

However, my point is that team orders are not expressively prohibited:

This caused the FIA to point out that "any act prejudicial to the interest of any competition" should in future be penalized severely. Later that same year there was a clarification in which it was said that there had been "considerable misunderstanding" about team orders and that they were not prohibited.

The world council ruled, "What is not acceptable, in the world council’s view, is any arrangement which interferes with a race and cannot be justified by the relevant team’s interest in the championship."

Following on from the 2002 Austrian debacle the international sporting code now states that it would punish "any fraudulent conduct or any act prejudicial to the interests of any competition or to the interests of motor sport generally."

[Ron Dennis]

i dont really have the energy to argue this any more this evening, i'll take a rain check