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[kerc]

Hamilton's still the better driver of the two. Button's just got luck on his side.

Hamilton is arguably the most exciting driver to watch on the grid, period. therefore he's a lightning rod for everyone, media or drivers. No one shoots for number 2. It's why Jenson chose to race for McLaren in the first place he wanted to be measurer with the same yardstick as Hamilton and you've got to respect Jenson for that. On your comment with Jenson having luck at his side, after a certain consistent amount of luck it starts to be less about luck and more about preparation, I don't know if that's going to be enough to get more points than his teammate this season but he's doing pretty damned well right now.

I remember people saying that Jenson had made a mistake by going to McLaren. Ha! Proved them wrong.

[f1ea]

Button also didn't start from that bad of a position. I've watched Hamilton start at or near the back and work his way through most of the field, while in Valencia Button advanced four positions. As for strategy, Button's just been lucky. He's had a lucky tire choice, not knowing whether it would have paid off for him or bitten him in the bottom, and it really could have went either way.

Hamilton's still the better driver of the two. Button's just got luck on his side.

Comparing Valencia or Monaco with any other track (regarding overtaking to move up the field) is pointless.

Button has been lucky and also has gotten a few unlucky chances like his engine stuff at Monaco... luck evens out.

In the end what matters is performance... and to say he will not finish ahead of Lewis by outperforming him is ridiculous. His charge in Turkey, in Valencia, in Canada... were far from lucky. I've said it 50 times: his weakness is in Q. Unless he improves his pace, he will probably get beaten. But if he finds a couple of tenths at Q... there seem to be no flaws to get beaten by. Whether anybody else is the best driver or not.

I remember people saying that Jenson had made a mistake by going to McLaren. Ha! Proved them wrong.

I always said it was the best move Mclaren could have made. I wouldnt even say if he's better or not than hamilton, it doesnt really matter... i've also said lots of times, i think most of these guys are all pretty equally good. With some few exceptions... the differences are marginal at best.

Hamilton's still the better driver of the two. Button's just got luck on his side.

On your comment with Jenson having luck at his side, after a certain consistent amount of luck it starts to be less about luck and more about preparation, I don't know if that's going to be enough to get more points than his teammate this season but he's doing pretty damned well right now.

[What's Burning?]

McLaren has best driver pairing on the grid, good problem for them to have, it's a win/win situation. I get the feeling the same perception of a number 1 and a number 2 driver isn't going on at McLaren like it is at Red Bull.

[EwanM]

The harmony will not last forever. If Button wants this championship he is going to have to do some things which may cause a bit of tension.

If and when it happens will probably be gold.

You have to admit that it usually produces some classic action.

[What's Burning?]

The harmony will not last forever. If Button wants this championship he is going to have to do some things which may cause a bit of tension.

If and when it happens will probably be gold.

You have to admit that it usually produces some classic action.

It's easier to fire a guy than it is to hire a guy.

[EwanM]

JET!

[Hammer278]

The harmony will not last forever. If Button wants this championship he is going to have to do some things which may cause a bit of tension.

If and when it happens will probably be gold.

You have to admit that it usually produces some classic action.

He's done this in Turkey at the end of the race already but it didn't pay off. And Lewis would know what to look out for next time when his teammate is behind him and supposed to "hold station".

[vaptin]

The harmony will not last forever. If Button wants this championship he is going to have to do some things which may cause a bit of tension.

If and when it happens will probably be gold.

You have to admit that it usually produces some classic action.

He's done this in Turkey at the end of the race already but it didn't pay off. And Lewis would know what to look out for next time when his teammate is behind him and supposed to "hold station".

Jenson was told to save fuel, he managed to finish the race with fuel left in it so I think he did.

[f1ea]

The harmony will not last forever. If Button wants this championship he is going to have to do some things which may cause a bit of tension.

If and when it happens will probably be gold.

You have to admit that it usually produces some classic action.

He's done this in Turkey at the end of the race already but it didn't pay off. And Lewis would know what to look out for next time when his teammate is behind him and supposed to "hold station".

Jenson was told to save fuel, he managed to finish the race with fuel left in it so I think he did.

And in the meantime, did not affect the stability of the team. Which wouldnt have done. Correction... didn't do.

As Ewan said. The harmony will not last forever. I've gone a step further (in the 'golden era' thread). There is harmony ONLY because Jenson hasnt got the best result. Everytime Jenson has, or challenged... there's some destabilizing crap coming from the 's mouth.

[Gaz]

F1Ea - gonna need you to cite some so sources for the above post.

Particulary the last bit.

I know you don't like LH but your being daft

[f1ea]

F1Ea - gonna need you to cite some so sources for the above post.
Particulary the last bit.

Like I said, already said it a few times on the 'golden era' thread... I dont mean to cause an argument or anything. Just that the harmony is there because it hasnt been Jenson getting the 'luck of the draw' and it has been jenson keeping his head right whenever there's been tension.

As we saw in the few examples Jenson either challenged or got a better result than the there were garbage comments and/or actions. There is no sources, except what we all have seen. So, like Ewanm said, if jenson wants the championship he's going to have to deal with the tension...

While, anytime jenson has gotten some bad roll of the dice, he's simply kept his calm. Unlike his teammate. Again, dont want to get into this, because it keeps looking like a neverending hateful argument when it isnt my intention... BUT the facts are there to be seen.

[racechick]

F1Ea - gonna need you to cite some so sources for the above post.
Particulary the last bit.

Like I said, already said it a few times on the 'golden era' thread... I dont mean to cause an argument or anything. Just that the harmony is there because it hasnt been Jenson getting the 'luck of the draw' and it has been jenson keeping his head right whenever there's been tension.

As we saw in the few examples Jenson either challenged or got a better result than the there were garbage comments and/or actions. There is no sources, except what we all have seen. So, like Ewanm said, if jenson wants the championship he's going to have to deal with the tension...

While, anytime jenson has gotten some bad roll of the dice, he's simply kept his calm. Unlike his teammate. Again, dont want to get into this, because it keeps looking like a neverending hateful argument when it isnt my intention... BUT the facts are there to be seen.

Well you are perpetuating an arguement by stating untruths. They've scored 2 wins each. What garbage? Actions? No sources???
These guys are racing and they both want to win, they arent going to say "after you sir". Neither of these guys want to win by default. they want to win by being the best. Yes there will be tension and yes they will both have to deal with it. But dont turn this into something it isnt!

[f1ea]

F1Ea - gonna need you to cite some so sources for the above post.
Particulary the last bit.

Well you are perpetuating an arguement by stating untruths. They've scored 2 wins each. What garbage? Actions? No sources???
These guys are racing and they both want to win, they arent going to say "after you sir". Neither of these guys want to win by default. they want to win by being the best. Yes there will be tension and yes they will both have to deal with it. But dont turn this into something it isnt!

Look at the races when Jenson has either challenged Lewis the rat or gotten better results. At each of these races there was stuff or comments he did, that were not in the interest of harmony. I dont need to cite sources, because this I havent read or seen in any article by anyone. Look at the Turkey race at the other race jenson got some strategy etc. These were actions plain and clear to see. Facts. Not interpretations of what he meant or was thinking. Straight fact.

Look at the times Lewis the rat has gotten the best results. Jenson has said nothing that would disrupt the harmony of the team. Including the time the team really messed him up in Monaco, and arguably in Turkey... not opinions. Facts.

Now... look at how most of the Hamster crew says Alonso and ferrari are only dealing with the issue because it is Lewis the rat, because alonso is angry at him for beating him in the same team and so on... Not facts. That's opinions. Saying Alonso wanted favours when he called a meeting after the China gp (was it china?)... that's opinion. If you look at the FACTS there has not been a single arguement from neither Massa nor Alonso to imply there is no harmony or anybody wants special favours.

Similarly, people saying Lewis the rat purposedly held off the ferraris so he was the last one past the SC. Thats opinion; him getting away with the SC infraction, is fact. The FIA mishandling the incident is fact. Whether there was manipulation or whatever, thats opinion. I dont think it was a manipulated race... but if I ever said so, it would be an opinion.

See... there's difference.

[Gaz]

F1Ea - gonna need you to cite some so sources for the above post.
Particulary the last bit.

Like I said, already said it a few times on the 'golden era' thread... I dont mean to cause an argument or anything. Just that the harmony is there because it hasnt been Jenson getting the 'luck of the draw' and it has been jenson keeping his head right whenever there's been tension.

As we saw in the few examples Jenson either challenged or got a better result than the there were garbage comments and/or actions. There is no sources, except what we all have seen. So, like Ewanm said, if jenson wants the championship he's going to have to deal with the tension...

While, anytime jenson has gotten some bad roll of the dice, he's simply kept his calm. Unlike his teammate. Again, dont want to get into this, because it keeps looking like a neverending hateful argument when it isnt my intention... BUT the facts are there to be seen.

Whats with you just name calling lewis contestnly its getting old.

Lewis hasn't said anything against Jenson at all, and when he finished 2nd to Jenson he had nothing but good things to say.

Seams to me your a Alonso fan with Grudge against him?

[f1ea]

Lewis hasn't said anything against Jenson at all, and when he finished 2nd to Jenson he had nothing but good things to say.

Want the examples? how many times...
1) Turkey
2) Malaysia (i think it was)
3) There was another, that i dont remember...

Seams to me your a Alonso fan with Grudge against him?

I have a grudge right now because of what he did in Valencia. Hadnt seen the aerial fottage. But after seeing it, I think it was deliberate.