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[AKR]

[quote=]"AKR"I would rather a RUF CTR, A nice yellow one too. Engineering wise that is kick arse and as quick as a Ferrari.

Who are you and what did you do with the real Kiki? [/quote]

[Jamie]

The Ferrari Mentality.

Brilliant, smart, sexy cars, brilliant drivers, ambitious, passionate, amazing, huge fan base, full of history & glory.

[Fodda]

You could apply that list to Lotus, McLaren, Williams and all manner of other teams...

Ferarri do seem to have garnered a HUGE number of fans (outside of Italy) since they came out of the wilderness and became the force they are now thanks to Todt, Brawn and a certain German. Before then, McLaren and Williams had the huge support. New and part-time fans will always glory-hunt the successful teams... Just look at Manchester United's support!

[kerc]

You could apply that list to Lotus, McLaren, Williams and all manner of other teams...

Ferarri do seem to have garnered a HUGE number of fans (outside of Italy) since they came out of the wilderness and became the force they are now thanks to Todt, Brawn and a certain German. Before then, McLaren and Williams had the huge support. New and part-time fans will always glory-hunt the successful teams... Just look at Manchester United's support!

Well said.

[vaptin]

*sobs quietly*, I like Campos too

[Jamie]

You could apply that list to Lotus, McLaren, Williams and all manner of other teams...

Ferarri do seem to have garnered a HUGE number of fans (outside of Italy) since they came out of the wilderness and became the force they are now thanks to Todt, Brawn and a certain German. Before then, McLaren and Williams had the huge support. New and part-time fans will always glory-hunt the successful teams... Just look at Manchester United's support!

I like

RBR
McLaren
Renault when Kubica wins
Mercedes when Schumi wins

Neh I love Ferrari through and through but do have a soft spot for JB...

[pater001]

Clealry the backmarkers stuffed Alonso up in Canada and clearly Alonso's race was ruined by the safetycar in Valenica. He respected the rules and came 8th. Hamilton cheated and got second. How is that fair is beyond me but what I do know there seems to be around 90% of anti Ferrari people on this forum who will write whatever nonsense they want to deny this and try to belittle Ferrari. Well in the end Ferrari is greatness, not Hamilton, McLaren and anyone else, and in the real world outside this forum, most people are seeing how Hamilton is a little cheat. He has been a cheat from the start. Once a cheater, always a cheater. In 2007 he was involved with the team that got fined 1 million dollars for stealing Ferrari documents, in 2008 he cheated at Spa, in 2009 he cheated and lied in Australia, this year he is a cheat in Canada, cheated in Malaysia as well, drove dangerous alongside Vettel in exiting the pits in one race and then did the same with Alonso in Canada. There is nothing wrong with the Ferrari mentality. It is the McLaren mentality that is wrong because their mentlity is to cheat clear and simple.

Oh Dear !! Never let the facts get in the way of your blind bigotry do you ?
The simple fact is that Ferrari turned up at the start of the season with a car that wasn't good enough. Other teams did too, but instead of bleating about it to the world's press, the other teams got on with the work required to try & turn their fortunes around.
Let's look at your facts:
Alonso's race was affected by back markers in Canada, but that's the way it goes sometimes. I'm sure that had the backmarkers hampered either Hamilton or Button then we would have heard nothing from you. Alonso had a choice to make when behind those back markers, but in both instances he chose wrong. Not his fault, it was a 50-50 thing. Bad luck. Get over it.
He did suffer behind the safety car in Valencia, and yes Hamilton did "cheat". But I'd defy anyone to know whether or not they'd actually crossed the safety car line or not when seated so low down in the car. I'd be surprised if they can see the ground 20ft in front of the car, never mind at speed. Hamilton got his punishment, Alonso got overtaken by Kobayashi. Get over it.
Ferrari is a great team as you say. They are the only team that have been there since the beginning, But don't use this fact to belittle other teams. I think if you look at it from terms of strike rate (wins per start) then McLaren are actually more successful.
It's a little rich for a Ferrari fan to be accusing anyone else of cheating don't you think ? You state, correctly, that in 2007 Hamilton was involved in the team involved in the "Spygate" scandal. What you fail to mention is that your current Ferrari driver was at the centre of that scandal & instrumental in propogating it along with others. The whole sordid mess only came to light after Fernando threw his toys out of the pram & tried to blackmail Ron Dennis . This was after intentionally blocking Hamilton's qualy lap in Hungary. I also think you'll find that the fine was a little bigger than the 1,000,000 you mention.
You mention that Hamilton cheated at Spa in 2008. I don' remember that incident. I do remember, though, the FIA robbing him of a fantastic win on a trumped up technicality.
Oz 2009 I'll take on the chin. He made a mistake, admitted it, got punished. End of story.
You say that Hamilton cheated in both Malaysia & Canada this year by driving alongside another driver in the pitlane. Well that isn't desirable, but it isn't cheating. In fact I was impressed with Alonso in Canada for not doing a Vettel (that tactic came back to bit him big time in Turkey didn't it?) & trying to swerve Hamilton towards the pit crews.

[Sarcasm]Of course having said all this I would like to take this opportunity to reminisce about all the times Ferrari haven't cheated in the past, nor has that esteemed Ferrari champion Mr Schumacher EVER been seen to cheat. In fact if there ever was a book about cheating in F1 written, I'd be VERY surprised if it was authored by a Michael Schumacher and sponsored by Ferrari.[/Sarcasm]

GUYS:

The problem is not to lie (cheat) but to get caught.......

[Hammer278]

Just imagine Lewis hadn't braked and passed that 'line' before the SC, no drive through. Would the red guys still scream murder? Alonso and Ferrari would look way more ridiculous than they do now. The only case they would have is "BAD LUCK ALWAYS HAPPENS TO US". It will be like McLaren screaming "BAD LUCK ALWAYS HAPPENS TO US" after one of their mechanics forgot to close some inlet on Buttons car in Monaco. What a joke of a team.

[AKR]

You could apply that list to Lotus, McLaren, Williams and all manner of other teams...

Ferarri do seem to have garnered a HUGE number of fans (outside of Italy) since they came out of the wilderness and became the force they are now thanks to Todt, Brawn and a certain German. Before then, McLaren and Williams had the huge support. New and part-time fans will always glory-hunt the successful teams... Just look at Manchester United's support!

Ferrari have always had more supporters. Even when McLaren and Williams were dominating. The same things as of now applied then. Ferrari is a special team with much history and hertiage. McLaren and Williams are just F1 teams. Williams are nice, I have a spot for them always, but they are not in the same calibur as Ferrari.

[AKR]

The Ferrari Mentality.

Brilliant, smart, sexy cars, brilliant drivers, ambitious, passionate, amazing, huge fan base, full of history & glory.

Spot on. AGREED!

[ronnieb]

The Ferrari mentality:

- Every single event that does not benefit their team is a CONSPIRACY
- Every single dubious move by any non-Ferrari driver is cheating
- Every single driver that beats any Ferrari driver is the enemy, and therefore a cheater
- Every single person that does not bow down to their drivers is a hater
- Every single event that benefits their drivers/team is a racing incident
- Every single event that hurts their drivers/team is a conspiracy, act of cheating and the deliberate actions of an organized crime organization
- Every single opinion comes with the relevant Ferrari logic of choice
- Ferrari fans can attack any non-Ferrari driver, but Ferrari drivers are untouchable. Or else, feel the wrath.


Its called a DOUBLE STANDARD.

A few corrections had to be made.

[vaptin]

Just imagine Lewis hadn't braked and passed that 'line' before the SC, no drive through. Would the red guys still scream murder? Alonso and Ferrari would look way more ridiculous than they do now. The only case they would have is "BAD LUCK ALWAYS HAPPENS TO US". It will be like McLaren screaming "BAD LUCK ALWAYS HAPPENS TO US" after one of their mechanics forgot to close some inlet on Buttons car in Monaco. What a joke of a team.

They call that one a straw man argument don't they?

And I fail to see how those two situations are comparable, are you saying its Ferrari's mechanics fault that they got stuck behind the safety car?

[f1ea]

A few corrections had to be made.

A correction has to be correct. Otherwise its a... wrongention.

[Fodda]

Ferrari have always had more supporters. Even when McLaren and Williams were dominating. The same things as of now applied then. Ferrari is a special team with much history and hertiage. McLaren and Williams are just F1 teams. Williams are nice, I have a spot for them always, but they are not in the same calibur as Ferrari.

Not so sure about that here in the UK. During the Senna years, McLaren were everywhere, I don't really remember a great UK support for Ferrari until Mansell drove for them for a while... And that was more support for him and fell away once he left the team. When Williams started dominating for a few years, the UK fanbase was mostly for Williams. I remember as a lad we all loved the black and gold Lotus of Emerson Fitipaldi here. The much larger and more vocal Ferrari fanbase came about when Todt brought the team out of a 20 year slump in fortunes and got Brawn and Schumacher in.

I'm sure that Ferrari have always had a huge fanbase in Italy and perhaps some non racing nations, but I'll bet in the UK, and Germany with strong national racing teams they've not been as important as some others.

To be honest, claiming that Ferrari IS F1 (Luca), or that they have more right to be there than ANY other team (most Fezza fanboys) only makes me dislike the team more. EVERYONE has to start somewhere. Enzo had to build his first car... Bugatti, Ford, Spyker etc. were all building cars before he came on the scene. Does that make them even more important than Ferrari? Of course not. All teams old, middlin' and new are equal competitors in the sport. Start giving one team unecessary prominence and it's not an equal sport any more.

Williams and McLaren as well as a good few other teams all have a great history, and McLaren, RBR and Renault/Mercedes are definitely in the same class as Ferrari, (in fact you could say that in the last 15 years, Ferrari have pulled themselves back into the same class as McLaren and Williams) and long may that continue.

[kerc]

Ferrari have always had more supporters. Even when McLaren and Williams were dominating. The same things as of now applied then. Ferrari is a special team with much history and hertiage. McLaren and Williams are just F1 teams. Williams are nice, I have a spot for them always, but they are not in the same calibur as Ferrari.

Not so sure about that here in the UK. During the Senna years, McLaren were everywhere, I don't really remember a great UK support for Ferrari until Mansell drove for them for a while... And that was more support for him and fell away once he left the team. When Williams started dominating for a few years, the UK fanbase was mostly for Williams. I remember as a lad we all loved the black and gold Lotus of Emerson Fitipaldi here. The much larger and more vocal Ferrari fanbase came about when Todt brought the team out of a 20 year slump in fortunes and got Brawn and Schumacher in.

I'm sure that Ferrari have always had a huge fanbase in Italy and perhaps some non racing nations, but I'll bet in the UK, and Germany with strong national racing teams they've not been as important as some others.

To be honest, claiming that Ferrari IS F1 (Luca), or that they have more right to be there than ANY other team (most Fezza fanboys) only makes me dislike the team more. EVERYONE has to start somewhere. Enzo had to build his first car... Bugatti, Ford, Spyker etc. were all building cars before he came on the scene. Does that make them even more important than Ferrari? Of course not. All teams old, middlin' and new are equal competitors in the sport. Start giving one team unecessary prominence and it's not an equal sport any more.

Williams and McLaren as well as a good few other teams all have a great history, and McLaren, RBR and Renault/Mercedes are definitely in the same class as Ferrari, (in fact you could say that in the last 15 years, Ferrari have pulled themselves back into the same class as McLaren and Williams) and long may that continue.

Agree 101%.

One problem, though...You're being completely reasonable and logical, and that doesn't fly here.