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[ivey]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEo5eqjj ... re=related

this is a great video, at the end you will see the line and Lewis is really 1 meter behind it. I really think Alonso makes it bigger when he says "Lewis overtook the safety car". It's just wrong.

[bud]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEo5eqjjfXc&feature=related

this is a great video, at the end you will see the line and Lewis is really 1 meter behind it. I really think Alonso makes it bigger when he says "Lewis overtook the safety car". It's just wrong.

thanks for that, yes its really 1m misjudgment Lewis got the penalty and fairly so. Fernando and Ferrari are acting very childishly about this whole event tbh.

[RA Dunk]

Another mountain made out of a molehill, the Hamilton haters will be revelling in all of this.

In Summary.

He wasnt sure what to do, he called it wrong, he paid the penalty, get over it!

[RA Dunk]

thanks for that, yes its really 1m misjudgment Lewis got the penalty and fairly so. Fernando and Ferrari are acting very childishly about this whole event tbh.

I expected no less from 'Unibrow' and his henchmen TBH.

[Jamie]

He played it right? You know i would prefer Alonso to win, or even come 2nd. But then again Lewis played it right and came out on top, I think he needs to concentrate on the next race and push the car and himself to a win.

[Fodda]

Well hello all. I've been a lurker here for a while, but just registered so that I could add my tuppence to this little lot.

Just to say, Ferrari are fine ones to moan about how the fans have been cheated and are upset (surely only Ferrari fans, not all F1 fans).

I seem to remember the 1998 British GP being won by a certain Mr Schumacher whilst he was busy serving a stop and go penalty in the pitlane!

What goes around comes around... Ferrari have been well known for their "racecraft" when it involves them bending the regs and sporting code. It's looking very childish that they're screaming blue murder now.

Right... Now that I've pinned my colours to the mast, I'll get on with reading some other posts.

[LifeW12]

I seem to remember the 1998 British GP being won by a certain Mr Schumacher whilst he was busy serving a stop and go penalty in the pitlane!

And then he goes full blast coming out to "pretend" that he didn't know it was the last lap when he pitted when all along he knew it was because Brawn would have told him to come in on the last lap

[RA Dunk]

^^lol at the avatar

[f1usa]

i have to agree ht. safety car is one of those things that indy car does right and FIA doesnt

The FIA and rules upon rules created the Valencia fiasco but there is a simple and fair solution. When there is a yellow flag/safety car deployment, race control should freeze the running order at the time yellow flag was declared. Close pits until safety car picks up race leader and all cars follow safety car down pit road. To make it safer for all cars pitting at same time, no advantage can be gained during this pit stop and cars leaving pit re-form under frozen running order until green flag. This would have prevented the FIA from looking so limp, but the jury is still out on Alonso and Ferrari.

[trailertrash]

In fairnes to Fox... I can't believe I'm even saying that. Fox News and Fox sports are independent of each other.

My grief is, if it would have been a damned NASCAR race they would have stayed there interviewing every last toothless redneck until the stands were empty. For F1 they don't even show the post race driver interviews! WTF, if they're going to do crappy coverage just leave it on SPEED or at least let SPEED broadcast the full thing along with whatever crappy coverage they're going to give it on FOX.

...and we would have had the chance of enjoying our new member trailertrash in full glory

I waz gonna aks whats the beef with been a redneck an toothless.
Rednecks got feeelins to

[Jamie]

Alonso got made a fool @ the end. Kumi? Gosh. I hope i never see a performance like that again, embarrassing for me!!


There is just something not right for the car....

[thechainrule]

Could have been worse. Especially if Lewis actually won the race, imagine the flare up then! I do remember some talk from Will Buxton about Hamilton not captializing on Vettel's mistake shortly after the crash happened, i guess before the saftey car was even in the picture.

Also please correct me if I am wrong but even swift action by the stewards on Lewis probably would have resulted in the same non-effect penalty right? Drivers do have the luxury of completing their penalty lap whenever they choose so long it is before race end. Hamilton was finding 1.5 s/lap at one point on Vettel, and Valencia's pit lane is short.

Regardless. Here is praise to Vettel, Hami, and Kabayashi fantastic drives! Glad to see Webber is ok.

[madbrad]

I know it's been said but the point Alonso makes is if the penalty were delivered sooner then the drive thru woul dhave meant something because then he would have been behind someone. Letting the field spread out first was a gift to Hamilton. However it's what they did and it's over and there's no further discussion, even if Alonso doesn't like it. And him not liking it doesn't mean he's got a bee in his bonnett over Hamilton. Any driver would be super angry at getting his position stolen by a seriously flawed safety car procedure. And I think any driver would have bi+ched about it afterward.
I seriously do not think Alonso had it in for Hamilton. I don't think Alonso thinks Hamilton held him up deliberately. I think he would have complained the same had it been anyone else. Those who think he does are obvious biased Alonso Haters or Hamilton lovers. And it's perfectly fine to love Hamilton, and have posters of him in your bedroom that you practise kissing on. And it's perfectly fine to hate Alonso provided your reasons are base on real proven facts about him. But people, it's great to have an opinion over an incident but try to keep your bias from tainting your vision!
I agree that:
The more pertinent point is that if the SC would do its job the way the rest of the world thinks it should, this would not have happened. It should go get in front of the leader, maybe allow the field to bunch up a bit even, and the pitlane should only then be opened. It wouldn't matter what car is in front or behind it when it came out. It wouldn't cause a severe change in the running order through artificial means. This amounts to the stewards influencing the outcome. I mean, there should never be a circumstance where the SC is in a position to affect it that much!

Now, it looks like the punishment was for passing the SC but really the complaint was holding up Alonso before passing the SC, because at the time they didn't know Lewis was behind it. They were talking about some slowness rule that Lewis might have broken but that was forgotten once they knew he passed the SC. SO what is up with the slowness thing?

And what happened to the thing about letting the lapped cars unlap during the SC? I liked that when they had it.
Anyway I'm not so sure I like letting the cars pit in a free for all during SC, like NASTYCAR and CHUMPCAR. It makes it feel like those series for me.

[madbrad]

Also please correct me if I am wrong but even swift action by the stewards on Lewis probably would have resulted in the same non-effect penalty right? Drivers do have the luxury of completing their penalty lap whenever they choose so long it is before race end. Hamilton was finding 1.5 s/lap at one point on Vettel, and Valencia's pit lane is short.

Swifter action could have seen Lewis behind Alonso or even more people. After the penalty is given to the team, Lewis cannot pass hte finish line more than twice before serving the penalty. The penalty for violating that is supposed to be a black flag but who knows what they would do. Sadly, Murrays old famous saying applies to the stewards' decisions as well!

In fact, the stewards themselves have a time limit to hand down the penalty as well. If they take too long then the rule is supposed to be that the guy gets away with it. I remember a time when a penalty was succesfully appealed over this. So with that in mind, maybe lewis didn't have to serve it at all. Again, it comes down to the total inconsitency of penalty decisions on the part of those clowns.

[thechainrule]

^ Thanks for that. I dont knwo why I thought it was the duration of the race. Regardless, lh broke a rule, got caught, got penalized in the same race, a huge step up from seasons past. And 14 s > 5s.

Wondering if you can really classify this move as cheating if you get caught and penalized for it?