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[Gaz]

It could affect the 13th team......

107% Rule returns.

The FIA want to create and destroy new teams in a matter of months.

They MUST be run by Ferrari........

Pole Time Vs Fastest Driver of New Teams

Bahrain - 104,1%
Australia - 104,7%
Malaysia - does not count because of the weather.
China - 103,2%
Spain - 104,0%
Monaco - 102,7%
Turkey - 103,1%
Canada - 103,1%

So it would only affect Hispaina, and they'd prob be ok now anyway.

Oh come on if your that slow whats the point?

look at hispaina there not racing there just a moving chicane.

Don't get me wrong i want them to do better

[texasmr2]

:banghead:
Your a bunch of hypocrits.

I'm one also I love hypocrits . Seriously though my bad I should not have said that and forgot to delete it. Now concerning the 107% rule I'll admit its rather confusing for me but even so I don't really care for it.

Head Hypocrit,
tex

[f1ea]

107% rule won't really be a problem because all the tracks have such long lap times these days. It'll only happen somewhere like Monaco or Singapore.

The most dangerous places to have extra slow cars... i guess its good then. Maybe it will not be the solve solution for the traffic/slow cars issues, but at least it will keep it from getting out of hand. And keep the slower teams moving forward, because the top teams will be constantly improving....

It could affect the 13th team......

107% Rule returns.

The FIA want to create and destroy new teams in a matter of months.

They MUST be run by Ferrari........

Oh come on if your that slow whats the point?

The point is the FIA is run by Ferrari
All the other teams want slow cars on the grid.

I thought they could black flag cars if they were dangerous? No??

Back to the fuel. There was no rule about getting back to the pits with fuel, thats why they couldnt punish Hamilton, he'd not broken any rule. the only thing saying you cant do it was a memo, not a rule. So he didnt bend, break or get away with anything.
The rule is obviously coming in next year to rectify this.
Well thats my understanding of it anyway, i could be wrong.

Black flagging a car because its driving dangerously is very subjective. I'm sure it has little to do with a certain force to the grass or closing the door on someone... its probably more obvious if its driving with a failed wing or being simply too erratic causing unexpected crash; or pushing your car in the middle of the track.

The specific incident may not have been as dangerous, but imagine if this low fuel lap had been a lap before and there were still cars remaining on hot laps, or it was in the race? the new rule cut the lose ends. Well done. There was no reason to punish Lewis in Canada because there was no rule/precedent to it (BUT if the FIA let it go... that would be trouble. Also, there should have been no punishment to Schumacher (only restore their positions).

[racechick]

107% rule won't really be a problem because all the tracks have such long lap times these days. It'll only happen somewhere like Monaco or Singapore.

The most dangerous places to have extra slow cars... i guess its good then. Maybe it will not be the solve solution for the traffic/slow cars issues, but at least it will keep it from getting out of hand. And keep the slower teams moving forward, because the top teams will be constantly improving....

It could affect the 13th team......

107% Rule returns.

The FIA want to create and destroy new teams in a matter of months.

They MUST be run by Ferrari........

Oh come on if your that slow whats the point?

The point is the FIA is run by Ferrari
All the other teams want slow cars on the grid.

I thought they could black flag cars if they were dangerous? No??

Back to the fuel. There was no rule about getting back to the pits with fuel, thats why they couldnt punish Hamilton, he'd not broken any rule. the only thing saying you cant do it was a memo, not a rule. So he didnt bend, break or get away with anything.
The rule is obviously coming in next year to rectify this.
Well thats my understanding of it anyway, i could be wrong.

Black flagging a car because its driving dangerously is very subjective. I'm sure it has little to do with a certain force to the grass or closing the door on someone... its probably more obvious if its driving with a failed wing or being simply too erratic causing unexpected crash; or pushing your car in the middle of the track.

The specific incident may not have been as dangerous, but imagine if this low fuel lap had been a lap before and there were still cars remaining on hot laps, or it was in the race? the new rule cut the lose ends. Well done. There was no reason to punish Lewis in Canada because there was no rule/precedent to it (BUT if the FIA let it go... that would be trouble. Also, there should have been no punishment to Schumacher (only restore their positions).

Yes I can see the reason for the low fuel lap rule. (Im just bemused why some people think Lewis , or mclaren should have been punished when they broke no rule.)
Agree with you on Schumacher too

[thechainrule]

Really curious as to how that timing is going to work out with the adjustable wing package. If its goign to work the way I interpret the rules so far. We may be in for a lot of overtakes followed be immediate take backs.

Regardless its exciting. Though I think there were more simplistic, beneficial ways to achieve the adjustable wings intent.

[rozer]

I dont agree with the new rules. An adjustable rear wing seems a daft idea there is plenty of things you could change. First the driver he has to make the move work and be tactfull about it and not just do a Vettel soon they will be replacing a steering wheel with a Wii Remote. The tyres, a driver should go as fast as he can every lap and not have to worry about the damn things, although i do admit i like the long game that results by drivers like Button. This season has produced fantastic racing and if it aint broke dont fix it.

[Hexagram]

More overtaking please (Adjustable rear wing) and get rid of slower cars (107% rule).

I agree with all the new rule changes.

[myownalias]

More overtaking please (Adjustable rear wing) and get rid of slower cars (107% rule).

I agree with all the new rule changes.

Look at it from a different perspective; if the slower teams are taken out of the equation; then overtaking opportunities may decrease as often overtakes are made when lapping a backmarker; I like the slower cars; they make F1 more interesting... the top drivers get paid loads of money; they should have the ability to lap slower cars safely!

[Hexagram]

More overtaking please (Adjustable rear wing) and get rid of slower cars (107% rule).

I agree with all the new rule changes.

Look at it from a different perspective; if the slower teams are taken out of the equation; then overtaking opportunities may decrease as often overtakes are made when lapping a backmarker; I like the slower cars; they make F1 more interesting... the top drivers get paid loads of money; they should have the ability to lap slower cars safely!

Nonsense, cars being too slowed cost the viewers in race entertainment. For example, the last race. Alonso would have been in front of Hamilton after his second pit stop had it not been for slower cars(namely Trulli i think).

Hamilton was quicker and would have had to overtake. Also there was nothing entertaining about Button's move either, he just drove past Alonso who was again held up by a back marker. Looking at Button's pace he would have also had to perform what would have been quite an entertaining and skillful move on Alonso to get by.

Also the adjustable rear wing will increase overtaking, look at the bigger picture for the regulations next year, not just the single changes on their own.

The only place slower cars add any entertainment is in Qualifying. During the race they add nothing unless a really fast car like Alonso in Monaco has to overtake them for position. Which is very much a once off and it only lasted for roughly 10 laps.

[myownalias]

The 107% rule wouldn't apply to most of the new teams anyway; as was pointed out earlier; the new teams are not as slow as the older slow teams such as Forti. I respectfully disagree with your conclusion that slower teams add nothing to the race. Backmarkers were never a problem really; it's all part of racing, it's the same for everyone; it's upto the top drivers to make their way through the backmarkers as quickly as possible with the aid of blue flags; I think it adds another dimension to racing; as much as pit stop strategy, seconds can be won and lost just the same as pit stops. As for the moveable rear wing; I remain to be convinced that it will actually work; we'll see what happens!

[Hexagram]

The 107% rule wouldn't apply to most of the new teams anyway; as was pointed out earlier; the new teams are not as slow as the older slow teams such as Forti.

You said it dude. "Look at it from a different perspective; if the slower teams are taken out of the equation; then overtaking opportunities may decrease as often overtakes are made when lapping a backmarker;"

If the newer teams are making the 107% cut then I don't know why you said the above. You are contradicting yourself. I think the 107% is good and needed.

Actually on the Button/Alonso thing. Chandock would not have actually been racing in Canada on Sunday as his laptime he did on Saturday was well over the 107% rule so Button wouldn't have passed Alonso in the way he did.

Chandock did have some issues with his car so an appeal may have been accepted, but maybe not.

I respectfully disagree with your conclusion that slower teams add nothing to the race. Backmarkers were never a problem really; it's all part of racing, it's the same for everyone; it's upto the top drivers to make their way through the backmarkers as quickly as possible with the aid of blue flags; I think it adds another dimension to racing; as much as pit stop strategy, seconds can be won and lost just the same as pit stops.

On adding to the racing here not the regs.

What happens when you meet a car that is taking a corner 20kph slower than you at the actual corner. Like the Alonso/Button move?

Driver mistake, team mistake? No, it's bad luck and positions will swap without their being a proper overtaking maneuver. The driver gets held up, gets a bad exit out of the corner and is a sitting duck down the straight. That for me adds nothing to the racing, the only way that can ever add anything for a spectator is if they dislike the driver it happens to and like the driver who gets by.

However if you meet a back marker down the straight, that is ok. And can potentially add to the racing, such as Mika & Michael back in Spa in 2000. Thats rare though.

A pit stop going bad is a team/driver mistake which imo actually adds to the racing everytime as it is a combination of driver skill(no wheel spin) and team skill(quick pit stop).

As for the moveable rear wing; I remain to be convinced that it will actually work; we'll see what happens!

I think it will work out. I just hope we don't see any rear wing failures due to it.

[myownalias]

I don't believe that I am contradicting myself. I don't agree with the 107% rule; it is not needed in my opinion; just serves to alienate the new teams. Having to overtake backmarkers is part and parcel of racing; in recent seasons if it weren't for backmarkers we have see very little overtaking, although this year has been slightly better. Processional races are a snore-fest and backmarkers add a little spice to proceedings; being lucky in any sport can win you a race/game/event and F1 is no different; if a leading driver happens to come upon a backmarker on a long straight; that's considered good luck and it's bad luck if you catch a backmarker in sequence of corners. Being held up is more to do with inexperienced drivers and than the machinery, a driver can be quick in quali then slow in the race and inexperience is the most likely cause of a top driver being held up. The 107% system is heavily flawed; quali pace is no indicator of race pace; especially now we have low fuel quali again! And the driver that is lapping could be considered to be making a mistake by not taking the opportunity to get past the backmarker; at the end of the day, Jenson made a better move on the backmarker than Alonso which allowed him to make the move for second place! That to me is racing; do the LMP1 drivers not use the GT3 cars to overtake an opponent at Le Mans?

[The Oz]

jeez I hope they bring back re-fuelling

[Capt. Furious]

Jenson made a better move on the backmarker than Alonso which allowed him to make the move for second place!

He's right you know,Fernando failed to seize the opportunity therefore he lost a place,back-markers have always been a part of racing.... Jenson used the traffic to his advantage... & well thats racing............

If Ferrari & their 60 years worth of F1 racing cant figure out how to navagate an obsticle like HRT(and their 8 races) then thats too bad.

[texasmr2]

If Ferrari & their 60 years worth of F1 racing cant figure out how to navigate an obsticle like HRT(and their 8 races) then thats too bad.