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[Denthúl]

It would be interesting to see which side, if any, Newey takes in this, if you think back to the Williams situation with Hill.

That very thought crossed my mind! Williams' treatment of Hill was a contributory fact to them loosing Newey!

I wonder if I could get in touch and ask his opinion on the incident.

[racechick]

It would be interesting to see which side, if any, Newey takes in this, if you think back to the Williams situation with Hill.

That very thought crossed my mind! Williams' treatment of Hill was a contributory fact to them loosing Newey!

I wonder if I could get in touch and ask his opinion on the incident.

Try! That would be cool. Id be really interested to hear his view.

[Denthúl]

It would be interesting to see which side, if any, Newey takes in this, if you think back to the Williams situation with Hill.

That very thought crossed my mind! Williams' treatment of Hill was a contributory fact to them loosing Newey!

I wonder if I could get in touch and ask his opinion on the incident.

Try! That would be cool. Id be really interested to hear his view.

Me too. If I can find an email address, I'll go down that route. Otherwise, snail-mail... >.<

[Big Azza]

I was trying to read through all the pages before I posted this, but the battery on my modem is dying. I still like both Red Bull drivers as much as each other, and either one of them could be at fault.

I also refuse to believe that Red Bull favour Vettel over Webber. It's interesting hearing negative publicity about this team. I almost feel like I now support Ferrari, because people seem to hate these guys.

It's good to see that Webber now has a comfortable lead in the championship over his team mate. However, the McLaren drivers are very close in both the standings and performance, and any Red Bull mistakes, or mechanical problems would be mean the WDC goes elsewhere.

McLaren also take the lead in the WCC.... for now.

[zurich_allan]

I have to say, I'm pretty close to taking Vettel off the list in my signature of favourite drivers that I've had since 2008. I still think he's a huge talent (that much is obvious), but I'm growing to like his attitude less and less by the race. I have a horrible nagging feeling that he has gradually developed an arrogance (as opposed to his former confidence) as time has gone on, and an unwillingness to accept his own failings except for PR purposes (i.e. apologising to his team but I don't think really being sincere). That crash was absolutely his fault, I really can't see any argument to the contrary regardless of the cr*p that seems to have begun to come from the team after the race, and I feel really sorry for Webber.

I also am beginning to think a comment that was made on the F1 forum on BBC after the race may just be relevant. Someone asked the question to Coulthard, Brundle, jordan et al; 'Can Vettel actually overtake anyone without crashing?'. I thought about it for a minute and realised that whilst not necessarily true, the person that posed the question had a real point - this isn't the first person's race that he's ruined in this way...

Thoughts people?

[darwin dali]

It would be interesting to see which side, if any, Newey takes in this, if you think back to the Williams situation with Hill.

That very thought crossed my mind! Williams' treatment of Hill was a contributory fact to them loosing Newey!

I wonder if I could get in touch and ask his opinion on the incident.

Try! That would be cool. Id be really interested to hear his view.

Me too. If I can find an email address, I'll go down that route. Otherwise, snail-mail... >.<

Newey doesn't do email anyway - pencil & paper is his MO

[racechick]

It would be interesting to see which side, if any, Newey takes in this, if you think back to the Williams situation with Hill.

That very thought crossed my mind! Williams' treatment of Hill was a contributory fact to them loosing Newey!

I wonder if I could get in touch and ask his opinion on the incident.

Try! That would be cool. Id be really interested to hear his view.

Me too. If I can find an email address, I'll go down that route. Otherwise, snail-mail... >.<

Newey doesn't do email anyway - pencil & paper is his MO

Oh yes.

[Denthúl]

It would be interesting to see which side, if any, Newey takes in this, if you think back to the Williams situation with Hill.

That very thought crossed my mind! Williams' treatment of Hill was a contributory fact to them loosing Newey!

I wonder if I could get in touch and ask his opinion on the incident.

Try! That would be cool. Id be really interested to hear his view.

Me too. If I can find an email address, I'll go down that route. Otherwise, snail-mail... >.<

Newey doesn't do email anyway - pencil & paper is his MO

Do I have to write my letter with a 2B pencil, then?

[racechick]

It would be interesting to see which side, if any, Newey takes in this, if you think back to the Williams situation with Hill.

That very thought crossed my mind! Williams' treatment of Hill was a contributory fact to them loosing Newey!

I wonder if I could get in touch and ask his opinion on the incident.

Try! That would be cool. Id be really interested to hear his view.

Me too. If I can find an email address, I'll go down that route. Otherwise, snail-mail... >.<

Newey doesn't do email anyway - pencil & paper is his MO

Do I have to write my letter with a 2B pencil, then?

[darwin dali]

It would be interesting to see which side, if any, Newey takes in this, if you think back to the Williams situation with Hill.

That very thought crossed my mind! Williams' treatment of Hill was a contributory fact to them loosing Newey!

I wonder if I could get in touch and ask his opinion on the incident.

Try! That would be cool. Id be really interested to hear his view.

Me too. If I can find an email address, I'll go down that route. Otherwise, snail-mail... >.<

Newey doesn't do email anyway - pencil & paper is his MO

Do I have to write my letter with a 2B pencil, then?

How about with a fancy aerodynamic one?

[Denthúl]

It would be interesting to see which side, if any, Newey takes in this, if you think back to the Williams situation with Hill.

That very thought crossed my mind! Williams' treatment of Hill was a contributory fact to them loosing Newey!

I wonder if I could get in touch and ask his opinion on the incident.

Try! That would be cool. Id be really interested to hear his view.

Me too. If I can find an email address, I'll go down that route. Otherwise, snail-mail... >.<

Newey doesn't do email anyway - pencil & paper is his MO

Do I have to write my letter with a 2B pencil, then?

How about with a fancy aerodynamic one?

Want. Now.

Anyway, if I get a response, I'll share it

[Fact Man]

In my opinion, webber didn't do anything wrong and I hope that RB don't have any preferences

Also, I would like to point to the fuel saving thing with McL. Webber and Hamilton have been racing each other for most of the race, therefore, they used up more fuel than Vettel and Button who have been basically keeping up with them.
So the question is why did McL find the need to inform Hamilton that "both" drivers are in fuel saving mode? (someone already asked this question earlier).
If there are no team orders than why tell Button to save fuel when one would assume that he had more fuel than Hamilton and didn't need to slow down. At the end it's down to the driver to decide what to do (the same with tire situation).

I believe that Button was cheated of his win and he had every right to take advantage of Hamilton's fuel situation. It's not Button's fault that Hamilton was pushing the whole time and was low on fuel!
Webber was told to save fuel but not Vettel. So why than McL finds the need to tell Button to save fuel?
You would think that Webber/Hamitlon were low on fuel and Vettel/Button were fine. But yet McL tells both drivers to slow down while RB only tells Webber to slow down.

Now imagine this fuel thing happening at Ferrari. Imagine Alonso was ahead of Massa and they got the call to save fuel. The same people who are defending McL would be accusing Ferrari of team orders

Bottom line, in my opinion, Hamilton was running low on fuel but McL wanted to keep him ahead of Button and they issued the fuel saving call to both. I think Button's move on Hamilton was out of frustration or maybe to send a message to the team that he's unhappy with it but then he allowed Hamilton to pass him again

I'm glad to see Webber and Button still ahead of their teammates

[FJuan]

Is it wrong,


that I'd really like to see Vettel sporting a wicked black eye at the next GP.......


and Mark with his right hand lightly bandaged from inflicting said black eye?

[scotty]

Some interesting press releases and articles posted in the last few pages.... here's my take:

Some sections of the Red Bull 'group' clearly prefer Vettel (and if they want to make it public and try and undermine Mark Webber they can go shaft themselves themselves with a rusty piece of jagged metal). I'm starting to doubt Horner too, a man whom i previously had a decent bit of respect for. Perhaps he is caught in the middle a bit but for me that is no real excuse, not to mention totally unprofessional given what he has been saying.

If all this is true (i repeat, if) then screw Red Bull as a team and screw Vettel (who has been getting on my nerves of late anyway). Mark Webber has perhaps been slightly sulky in the past but not anywhere near as much as some, and he still comes across as fundamentally a totally sound guy.

Go on Webber, i'm 100% rooting for you for the title!

[RA Dunk]

In my opinion, webber didn't do anything wrong and I hope that RB don't have any preferences

Also, I would like to point to the fuel saving thing with McL. Webber and Hamilton have been racing each other for most of the race, therefore, they used up more fuel than Vettel and Button who have been basically keeping up with them.
So the question is why did McL find the need to inform Hamilton that "both" drivers are in fuel saving mode? (someone already asked this question earlier).
If there are no team orders than why tell Button to save fuel when one would assume that he had more fuel than Hamilton and didn't need to slow down. At the end it's down to the driver to decide what to do (the same with tire situation).

I believe that Button was cheated of his win and he had every right to take advantage of Hamilton's fuel situation. It's not Button's fault that Hamilton was pushing the whole time and was low on fuel!
Webber was told to save fuel but not Vettel. So why than McL finds the need to tell Button to save fuel?
You would think that Webber/Hamitlon were low on fuel and Vettel/Button were fine. But yet McL tells both drivers to slow down while RB only tells Webber to slow down.

Now imagine this fuel thing happening at Ferrari. Imagine Alonso was ahead of Massa and they got the call to save fuel. The same people who are defending McL would be accusing Ferrari of team orders

Bottom line, in my opinion, Hamilton was running low on fuel but McL wanted to keep him ahead of Button and they issued the fuel saving call to both. I think Button's move on Hamilton was out of frustration or maybe to send a message to the team that he's unhappy with it but then he allowed Hamilton to pass him again

I'm glad to see Webber and Button still ahead of their teammates

According to Button during an interview yesterday on the BBC F1 Forum he was told to watch his fuel as early as 20 laps into the race so your talking nonsense.