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[myownalias]

This argument has been going on for what seems like forever, does it really need to pop up in every other thread?

It will persist as long as Hammy is considered to be the resurrection of F1 and F1 would not be what it is without him. Place the blame on where it originated from .

But by that same token; Alonso is no different as he was considered the saviour of F1 after years of Schumacher/Ferrari dominance. As far as I am concerned F1 needs more drivers like Hamilton and Alonso; drivers that are racers not FIA puppets that don't attack for fear of being penalised.

[texasmr2]

This argument has been going on for what seems like forever, does it really need to pop up in every other thread?

It will persist as long as Hammy is considered to be the resurrection of F1 and F1 would not be what it is without him. Place the blame on where it originated from .

Grow up!!

The pot calling the kettle black .

This argument has been going on for what seems like forever, does it really need to pop up in every other thread?

It will persist as long as Hammy is considered to be the resurrection of F1 and F1 would not be what it is without him. Place the blame on where it originated from .

But by that same token; Alonso is no different as he was considered the saviour of F1 after years of Schumacher/Ferrari dominance. As far as I am concerned F1 needs more drivers like Hamilton and Alonso; drivers that are racers not FIA puppets that don't attack for fear of being penalised.

I don't like or support Alonso so I do not see what relevance mentioning him has in regards to my statement?

[billindenver]

Actually Bill; I'm not a Lewis Hamilton fan; I am a Jenson Button fan and have been for his whole F1 career; long before I even heard the name Lewis Hamilton.

While we are on the subject of the blame game; Mr squeaky clean Alonso tried to blackmail his team; Ron Dennis called him out and reported the incident to the FIA himself.

As for the stats; Alonso has been in F1 six years longer than Hamilton so it's not a valid comparison. No one is disputing Alonso is a great driver but is he really better than Hamilton? (Yes, yes he is) I don't think so; he is an equal driver. No stats system will really tell the whole story of F1; who is the best driver is going to be highly subjective at best.

This argument has been going on for what seems like forever, does it really need to pop up in every other thread?

Your impatience with this discussion just doesn't track, considering you yourself contributed with your 'bottom line' declaration a few posts back. You also seem to be posting quite a bit in a discussion that shouldn't be taking place. Come on now, you can admit it...you are enjoying the discussion too aren't you? You know you are...

The bottom line is, if you don't like the topic...don't bring it up, don't participate in it and certainly don't get all indignant when someone responds to your post. This is a discussion forum afterall.

[myownalias]

I'm happy to discuss it; my point is half the threads on this forum end up in a Hamilton Vs Alonso or Hamilton Vs Button battle which inevitably gets locked. Hence why this "discussion" has been split into it's own thread to preserve the original thread from being locked.

And Bill; please do not quote me then edit what I wrote.

This argument has been going on for what seems like forever, does it really need to pop up in every other thread?

It will persist as long as Hammy is considered to be the resurrection of F1 and F1 would not be what it is without him. Place the blame on where it originated from .

But by that same token; Alonso is no different as he was considered the saviour of F1 after years of Schumacher/Ferrari dominance. As far as I am concerned F1 needs more drivers like Hamilton and Alonso; drivers that are racers not FIA puppets that don't attack for fear of being penalised.

I don't like or support Alonso so I do not see what relevance mentioning him has in regards to my statement?

I never said you did support Alonso! Every now and again and rookie comes in and blows everyone's expectations away, Hamilton did it; Alonso did it and Schumacher did it... the list goes on. I'm sure in a few years time someone else will come along and blow away everyone's expectations of them; that's the nature of F1.

[The Ram]

OK guys, the facts are:

Hamilton came 2nd in 2007. Alonso, the 2xWDC came 3rd.
Both were driving a Mclaren.
Hamilton was in his rookie year.

That means Hamilton blew Alonso away. The thread can be closed now.

[Jabberwocky]

I would hardly say blew him away but as you say he did beat him in his rookie year.

[f1ea]

The truth of the matter, of course, is that Alonso has never beached a car in pit lane. Has never rear ended another car in pit lane. Has never run over a car on the straight away. Never single handedly cost his team a championship. Never hit the pit lane speed button in the middle of a race. And he has never cried "They made me Lie" to the press. Bottom line....Fernando is the better driver and in this thread a stat wunderkind has shown that, in two different analysis.

Alonso has won twice as many championships and is being paid 2 million euros a year more than Hamilton. Those margins do matter.

To further it up, some other staments in the very same vein of those that bang on Schumi (ie Stirling Moss and the Brit brigade) will definitely add to the weight in Bill's favour:

1) Lewis only won his championship against a poor teammate. Said teammate was not even able to get more pts than drivers in far poorer cars... AND still, he almost blew it. Unless he wins a championship with a competitive teammate on equal terms, then his championships, mean very little.

2) Lewis has only driven for Brittish teams in competitive cars. How convenient. He should be able to prove his worth once he is competitive in legendary non-british teams in uncompetitive cars, let's say Renault. After all F1 is all about honor. Ah but wait a minute... Alonso has. Which means his 2 championship are reaping with honor. So, when speaking of honour one must agree Alonso is leading Lewis. Or is honour exclusive to british teams/drivers??

That being said. Right now, there is no comparison.
Sorry... but what Lewis has achieved so far, does not even come close to what Alonso has achieved and shown on the track. Maybe, in the future. Maybe.

[texasmr2]

OK guys, the facts are:

Hamilton came 2nd in 2007. Alonso, the 2xWDC came 3rd.
Both were driving a Mclaren.
Hamilton was in his rookie year.

That means Hamilton blew Alonso away. The thread can be closed now.

[darwin dali]

OK guys, the facts are:

Hamilton came 2nd in 2007. Alonso, the 2xWDC came 3rd.
Both were driving a Mclaren.
Hamilton was in his rookie year.

That means Hamilton blew Alonso away. The thread can be closed now.

Both had 109 pts at the end, hardly a blowing away margin.

[myownalias]

OK guys, the facts are:

Hamilton came 2nd in 2007. Alonso, the 2xWDC came 3rd.
Both were driving a Mclaren.
Hamilton was in his rookie year.

That means Hamilton blew Alonso away. The thread can be closed now.

Both had 109 pts at the end, hardly a blowing away margin.

Guess you could argue Hamilton blew Alonso away given what was expected of Hamilton in his rookie year; everyone was expecting Alonso to "school" Hamilton! But as I said previously; Hamilton is in his fourth year of F1 while Alonso is in his 10th year of F1; how can you compare the two? if you look at Alonso's results in his first two years at Renault (I have ignored his time at Minardi) then Hamilton is pretty much on an even keel given that Hamilton did have a slightly better car.

[texasmr2]

OK guys, the facts are:

Hamilton came 2nd in 2007. Alonso, the 2xWDC came 3rd.
Both were driving a Mclaren.
Hamilton was in his rookie year.

That means Hamilton blew Alonso away. The thread can be closed now.

Both had 109 pts at the end, hardly a blowing away margin.

Careful before racechick tells you to growup aswell .

[racechick]

OK guys, the facts are:

Hamilton came 2nd in 2007. Alonso, the 2xWDC came 3rd.
Both were driving a Mclaren.
Hamilton was in his rookie year.

That means Hamilton blew Alonso away. The thread can be closed now.

Both had 109 pts at the end, hardly a blowing away margin.

Careful before racechick tells you to growup aswell .

No its only you that needs to grow up. Tex, you and I are completely different animals and the pot/ kettle thing doesnt work. I am passionate about my support of Lewis and make no excuses for it.I think he's the fastest driver-end of. Best driver? Not convinced yet. Does he make mistakes? Yes. BUT i respect differing views.I respect AKR who is way off from my views but honest in her opinions. You vascilate beween views and you put blame on people for not agreeing with you. You say you support Ferarri and McLaren yet you 'Call' maclaren supporters or hamilton supporters and blame them for disputes. Differences will always occur between passsionate supporters but respest should remain.

[billindenver]

OK guys, the facts are:

Hamilton came 2nd in 2007. Alonso, the 2xWDC came 3rd.
Both were driving a Mclaren.
Hamilton was in his rookie year.

That means Hamilton blew Alonso away. The thread can be closed now.

Both had 109 pts at the end, hardly a blowing away margin.

Guess you could argue Hamilton blew Alonso away given what was expected of Hamilton in his rookie year; everyone was expecting Alonso to "school" Hamilton! But as I said previously; Hamilton is in his fourth year of F1 while Alonso is in his 10th year of F1; how can you compare the two? if you look at Alonso's results in his first two years at Renault (I have ignored his time at Minardi) then Hamilton is pretty much on an even keel given that Hamilton did have a slightly better car.

You simply can't rule the team out of that situation. Hamilton was quite happy cheating along with McLaren while Alonso ranted and raved against it...earning the teams hatred in the process. The team basically tossed the trouble maker out...but in the end, who was severely penalized for cheating? The team. Hence, Alonso was in the right and he clearly wasn't being given an even playing field while there. So, Alonso was tied in points by Hamilton and McLaren in partnership. That partnership was caught cheating...and not just that year either. They were since caught cheating as a partnership yet again. I'm not talking about pushing the design envelope and rulebook in order to gain a real racing advantage, I'm talking about lying to stewards and stealing team designs.....real cheating.

'They made me do it'

[racechick]

OK guys, the facts are:

Hamilton came 2nd in 2007. Alonso, the 2xWDC came 3rd.
Both were driving a Mclaren.
Hamilton was in his rookie year.

That means Hamilton blew Alonso away. The thread can be closed now.

Both had 109 pts at the end, hardly a blowing away margin.

Guess you could argue Hamilton blew Alonso away given what was expected of Hamilton in his rookie year; everyone was expecting Alonso to "school" Hamilton! But as I said previously; Hamilton is in his fourth year of F1 while Alonso is in his 10th year of F1; how can you compare the two? if you look at Alonso's results in his first two years at Renault (I have ignored his time at Minardi) then Hamilton is pretty much on an even keel given that Hamilton did have a slightly better car.

You simply can't rule the team out of that situation. Hamilton was quite happy cheating along with McLaren while Alonso ranted and raved against it...earning the teams hatred in the process. The team basically tossed the trouble maker out...but in the end, who was severely penalized for cheating? The team. Hence, Alonso was in the right and he clearly wasn't being given an even playing field while there. So, Alonso was tied in points by Hamilton and McLaren in partnership. That partnership was caught cheating...and not just that year either. They were since caught cheating as a partnership yet again. I'm not talking about pushing the design envelope and rulebook in order to gain a real racing advantage, I'm talking about lying to stewards and stealing team designs.....real cheating.

'They made me do it'

McLaren were scrupulously fair-thats why Alonso threw the toys out. Regarding lying-did you hear Alonso's take on the overtaking incident in monaco- "Oh but we wernt racing". yeah mate thats why you were sideways throuh the last corner.

[texasmr2]

1. Don't tell me to growup.
2. Your not passionate about Lewis your obsessive to the point of being absurd.
3. You just paid attention .