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[Gaz]

sorry mate but as a Mclaren fan you got LH 31st and FA 15th?

When in the same car in the same year Lewis Matched Nando.

It don't make sense to me mate.

Makes plenty of sense to me. He has more championships and is a more proven, more accurate driver. You can say that Hammy is the youngest WC ever, and that certainly is a testament to his driving skill....but then he would have, should have been the youngest ever a year earlier...only for two consecutive races his nerves failed and he threw the championship out the window. There are no drivers in my recent memory who can single handedly take blame for losing a championship like that. If his accomplishments count, then so do his failures...and he failed huge. Until he makes up for that, he ranks below those who have not failed that huge and have accomplished more.

Yeh i'm not saying Lewis is better than nando but 15 places lower?

[billindenver]

sorry mate but as a Mclaren fan you got LH 31st and FA 15th?

When in the same car in the same year Lewis Matched Nando.

It don't make sense to me mate.

Makes plenty of sense to me. He has more championships and is a more proven, more accurate driver. You can say that Hammy is the youngest WC ever, and that certainly is a testament to his driving skill....but then he would have, should have been the youngest ever a year earlier...only for two consecutive races his nerves failed and he threw the championship out the window. There are no drivers in my recent memory who can single handedly take blame for losing a championship like that. If his accomplishments count, then so do his failures...and he failed huge. Until he makes up for that, he ranks below those who have not failed that huge and have accomplished more.

Yeh i'm not saying Lewis is better than nando but 15 places lower?

He's only completed three seasons. The first season he melted down with his teammate, was involved in plenty of scandal including cheating and had a two race season ending personal meltdown that cost his team the championship. The second was a championship year, still plenty of scandal but the championship offsets the first season debacle. The third season he was disqualified for cheating on one race and finished the season 46 points out of first place. Being ranked at all in his fourth year is a pretty good accomplishment. I'm not sure how high up the list you expect him to be. He has had some pretty amazing accomplishments, but he has also had some pretty astonishing mistakes. Pit lane beaching, pit lane crashes, crashes on the straight by running into the back of another car...I mean come on. He gets the 10 ranking bump for being British of course, but he really hasn't accomplished any more than Button or Villeneuve while making mistakes far more glaring than theirs.

[vaptin]

I haven't really followed the method, but I think its purely quantitative? And I assume nationality wasn't part of the data it was calculated on.

[Gaz]

sorry mate but as a Mclaren fan you got LH 31st and FA 15th?

When in the same car in the same year Lewis Matched Nando.

It don't make sense to me mate.

Makes plenty of sense to me. He has more championships and is a more proven, more accurate driver. You can say that Hammy is the youngest WC ever, and that certainly is a testament to his driving skill....but then he would have, should have been the youngest ever a year earlier...only for two consecutive races his nerves failed and he threw the championship out the window. There are no drivers in my recent memory who can single handedly take blame for losing a championship like that. If his accomplishments count, then so do his failures...and he failed huge. Until he makes up for that, he ranks below those who have not failed that huge and have accomplished more.

Yeh i'm not saying Lewis is better than nando but 15 places lower?

He's only completed three seasons. The first season he melted down with his teammate, was involved in plenty of scandal including cheating and had a two race season ending personal meltdown that cost his team the championship. The second was a championship year, still plenty of scandal but the championship offsets the first season debacle. The third season he was disqualified for cheating on one race and finished the season 46 points out of first place. Being ranked at all in his fourth year is a pretty good accomplishment. I'm not sure how high up the list you expect him to be. He has had some pretty amazing accomplishments, but he has also had some pretty astonishing mistakes. Pit lane beaching, pit lane crashes, crashes on the straight by running into the back of another car...I mean come on. He gets the 10 ranking bump for being British of course, but he really hasn't accomplished any more than Button or Villeneuve while making mistakes far more glaring than theirs.

Yeh but Jaques Villnerve is Higher than him

[Hansy]

sorry mate but as a Mclaren fan you got LH 31st and FA 15th?

When in the same car in the same year Lewis Matched Nando.

It don't make sense to me mate.

That's the wins-per-race ranking.

[racechick]

sorry mate but as a Mclaren fan you got LH 31st and FA 15th?

When in the same car in the same year Lewis Matched Nando.

It don't make sense to me mate.

Makes plenty of sense to me. He has more championships and is a more proven, more accurate driver. You can say that Hammy is the youngest WC ever, and that certainly is a testament to his driving skill....but then he would have, should have been the youngest ever a year earlier...only for two consecutive races his nerves failed and he threw the championship out the window. There are no drivers in my recent memory who can single handedly take blame for losing a championship like that. If his accomplishments count, then so do his failures...and he failed huge. Until he makes up for that, he ranks below those who have not failed that huge and have accomplished more.

Yeh i'm not saying Lewis is better than nando but 15 places lower?

He's only completed three seasons. The first season he melted down with his teammate, was involved in plenty of scandal including cheating and had a two race season ending personal meltdown that cost his team the championship. The second was a championship year, still plenty of scandal but the championship offsets the first season debacle. The third season he was disqualified for cheating on one race and finished the season 46 points out of first place. Being ranked at all in his fourth year is a pretty good accomplishment. I'm not sure how high up the list you expect him to be. He has had some pretty amazing accomplishments, but he has also had some pretty astonishing mistakes. Pit lane beaching, pit lane crashes, crashes on the straight by running into the back of another car...I mean come on. He gets the 10 ranking bump for being British of course, but he really hasn't accomplished any more than Button or Villeneuve while making mistakes far more glaring than theirs.

Yeh but Jaques Villnerve is Higher than him

Jacques Villeneuve is higher than Lewis!! Oh you are joking!!
Well that says it all for this ranking. Sorrry
Also Alonso higher He couldnt beat leawis as a rookie.
Just lost all faith in this system

[The Ram]

What are some the "good" and "bad" parameters may I ask?

[Wurnos]

Sorry but most of you are looking at the 'GP Years' post. The ratings posting is the one above the one you are looking at. The figures you are quoting are the 'GP Years'. An explanation of what these are is included in the posting where they are listed.

These make no adjustment for quality of car or length of career. They simply adjust race wins by how many races were on the F1 calendar at the time the races were being won. It’s natural that Lewis will be quite low down on this list given his career is only in its fourth year. He will no doubt go up in this list as his career progresses.

Here’s the rating of every driver who has achieved a peak rating equal to or greater than 2600. 2700 is the mean rating of a #1 ranked driver while 2600 is the mean rating of a #10 ranked driver. There will be some significant differences to the ‘GP years’ as essentially these are attempting to measure different things.

I am sure that these ratings will again not agree with everyone’s opinion but then I don't think anything would.

On the Lewis Hamilton point, his current rating is standing at 2646 in his fourth year, just 2 points off his peak at 2648. This is no mean achievement e.g. Ayrton Senna only broke the 2600 point barrier after 6 years when he got to 2631 which was sufficient at that time for him to be ranked third on the 1985 list of current ratings. So things do look positive for Hamilton, its just the ratings will only get to the 2700+ level when Hamilton has proved beyond reasonable doubt that he is in the top 10 of all time and not that he has the potential to be.

This of course does not mean most championship wins or most race wins as these methodologies would penalise drivers like Damon Hill who would probably have scored back to back titles had he been able to stay with Williams in 1997 or Jim Clark who's sad death limited what surely would have been a more prolific career in terms of race wins. These ratings attempt to negate these circumstances but they still require sufficient evidence for a driver to be rated so highly.

As stated before please understand, and as pointed out by Zurich, these ratings don't prove anything in absolute terms. They are just that I use a numerical system to evaluate drivers. It doesn't mean it's any more valid, better or worse, than any individual’s opinion.

Here are the rankings. The first figure next to each drivers name is the rating while the second figure is the year it was achieved. It is not uncommon for a world champion's peak rating to be achieved in a year when he was not winning the world title, e.g. Jackie Stewart in 1972. The rating is simply stating this is when the statistical evidence was 'possibly' at its highest level regarding the quality of that driver.

All data are correct up to and including Monaco GP of 2010.

1 Michael Schumacher 2779 2004
2 Jim Clark 2778 1965
3 Juan Manuel Fangio 2764 1957
4 Alberto Ascari 2748 1953
5 Ayrton Senna 2739 1991
6 Nigel Mansell 2734 1992
7 Mika Häkkinen 2718 2000
8 Damon Hill 2711 1996
9 Stirling Moss 2707 1959
10 Jackie Stewart 2704 1972
11 Alain Prost 2696 1993
12 Kimi Räikkönen 2686 2008
13 Niki Lauda 2684 1976
14 Mario Andretti 2676 1978
15 Nélson Piquet 2676 1987
16 Jacques Villeneuve 2674 1997
17 Fernando Alonso 2670 2007
18 Jacky Ickx 2670 1972
19 Graham Hill 2670 1965
20 Felipe Massa 2668 2008
21 James Hunt 2662 1977
22 Phil Hill 2659 1961
23 Alan Jones 2658 1981
24 René Arnoux 2656 1983
25 Jack Brabham 2656 1960
26 Rubens Barrichello 2653 2004
27 Jochen Rindt 2652 1970
28 John Surtees 2651 1966
29 Lewis Hamilton 2648 2008
30 Nino Farina 2647 1950
31 David Coulthard 2644 2001
32 Ronnie Peterson 2644 1974
33 Emerson Fittipaldi 2642 1973
34 Juan Pablo Montoya 2638 2003
35 Mike Hawthorn 2638 1958
36 Tony Brooks 2638 1959
37 Sebastian Vettel 2636 2010
38 Riccardo Patrese 2633 1992
39 Gerhard Berger 2631 1991
40 Jenson Button 2630 2010
41 Dan Gurney 2630 1964
42 Clay Regazzoni 2630 1976
43 Gilles Villeneuve 2629 1979
44 Carlos Reutemann 2626 1981
45 Mark Webber 2626 2010
46 Jacques Laffite 2626 1981
47 Ralf Schumacher 2625 2003
48 José Froilan González 2622 1954
49 Jody Scheckter 2621 1977
50 Didier Pironi 2621 1982
51 Keke Rosberg 2621 1985
52 Denny Hulme 2619 1973
53 Michele Alboreto 2617 1985
54 Heinz-Harald Frentzen 2616 1997
55 Patrick Tambay 2615 1983
56 Jean-Pierre Jabouille 2614 1980
57 Bill Vukovich 2613 1953
58 Jo Siffert 2613 1968
59 Chris Amon 2612 1972
60 Lorenzo Bandini 2612 1966
61 Wolfgang von Trips 2611 1961
62 Carlos Pace 2611 1975
63 John Watson 2610 1983
64 Bruce McLaren 2610 1962
65 Eddie Irvine 2609 1999
66 Johnnie Parsons 2607 1950
67 Thierry Boutsen 2607 1990
68 Peter Collins 2606 1956
68 Giancarlo Baghetti 2606 1961
68 Lee Wallard 2606 1951
68 Pat Flaherty 2606 1956
68 Piero Taruffi 2606 1952
73 Jean Alesi 2605 1996
74 Giancarlo Fisichella 2605 2006
75 Jim Rathmann 2605 1960
76 Teo Fabi 2605 1986
77 Jean-Pierre Beltoise 2605 1972
78 Patrick Depailler 2605 1979
79 Jo Bonnier 2604 1959
79 Ludovico Scarfiotti 2604 1966
79 Heikki Kovalainen 2604 2008
79 Jack McGrath 2604 1954
79 Johnny Thomson 2604 1959
84 Jean-Pierre Jarier 2604 1978
85 Elio de Angelis 2604 1985
86 Vittorio Brambilla 2604 1975
87 Richie Ginther 2604 1966
88 Maurice Trintignant 2603 1959
89 Peter Revson 2603 1973
90 François Cévert 2602 1971
91 Stuart Lewis-Evans 2602 1958
92 Jarno Trulli 2602 2004
93 Jochen Mass 2601 1976
94 Innes Ireland 2601 1961
95 Pedro Rodriguez 2601 1968
96 Bob Sweikert 2601 1955
96 Eugenio Castellotti 2601 1955
96 Jerry Hoyt 2601 1955
96 Roberto Mieres 2601 1955
96 Walt Faulkner 2601 1950
101 Alessandro Nannini 2600 1990

Ratings for 2010 are provisional as ratings are only finalised at the end of each year concerned. Currently active drivers are in bold although I must stress the figures shown are for their peak rating not their current rating. On the current ratings Hamilton is highest with a provisional 2646 for 2010, although I feel he will need to step up his game if he he is to remain top by the end of the year.

Finally I would just like to say that there is no weighting given for nationality as has been suggested. In fact the database I use to make the above calculations does not include this as a field.

Again please go easy on the criticism. I am not claiming these ratings are any kind of abolute answer they are just that I use a numerical system to derive my opinion. They are no more more or less valid than any others persons point of view. Please respect any opinions posted by others. Remember there are no absolute right or wrong answers.

Tim

[Hansy]

One thing I find very odd is that Raikkonen's peak was at 2008, when his season was much, much worse than 2007 or 2009.

[racechick]

Again please go easy on the criticism. I am not claiming these ratings are any kind of abolute answer they are just that I use a numerical system to derive my opinion. They are no more more or less valid than any others persons point of view. Please respect any opinions posted by others. Remember there are no absolute right or wrong answers.

Tim

Sorry Wurnos, I wasnt intending to be critical of the system, There's no way on earth I could come up with anything apporoachig this sort of analysis. I dont look at the whole picture. Im more of a passionate responder than an analyst. I will study the list and the way you've arrived at it more thoroughly.

[Jabberwocky]

I still can not work out how the system works, is the strength of the field incorperated?

[stonemonkey]

I still can not work out how the system works, is the strength of the field incorperated?

I was wondering this too, would a high score in a year with several other high scorers be more significant than a high score in a year with no other high scorers?

[The Ram]

Tim what exactly adds and subtracts from the score that is all I want to know. I still can't wrap my head around some of the scores.

[McLaren]

you say

On the Lewis Hamilton point, his current rating is standing at 2646 in his fourth year, just 2 points off his peak at 2648. This is no mean achievement e.g. Ayrton Senna only broke the 2600 point barrier after 6 years when he got to 2631 which was sufficient at that time for him to be ranked third on the 1985 list of current ratings.

How can Lewis be on the same score after his career to what Ayrton was after six years in F1 ?.Lewis has been in a good car all the time Ayrton was in the worst car on the grid and still nearly won a race(would of if Prost wasn't waving his surrender monkeys arms in the air asking for the race to be stopped.)

There is no comparison to the early years of the two drivers.

One thing is for sure you will never get a system where everyone thinks its right

[Jabberwocky]

I am more interested in finding out how the system works before we can see how exact the results are.