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#200001
Tyrrell were at the top of F1 for a number of years, then fell to the midfield and worse and didn't recover. McLaren were in the doldrums for a number of years in the 90s, but not as long as Williams have been.

If manufacturers leave F1, then Williams could be in a good position. If. Also I think it's possible that Williams could one day come up with a Brawn style innovation that gives them a sizeable advantage in a year.


Agreed with most of the above except that McLaren were never in the doldrums as such, certainly nowhere even close to the extent of the fall from grace Williams have endured. They had a break in actually winning races between the last race in 1993 and the first race of 1997 - an exact break of 3 seasons, but in seasons '94, '95 & '96 McLaren still amassed 16 podiums - (8 in '94, 2 in '95 and 6 in '96). So it was really only one terrible year - 1995 - if you can call it that given the Mansell situation and the fact that his replacement was Mark Blundell. Not a comparable situation at all to the Williams one.

On the issue at hand, as others have said, it really is simply due to the phase F1 has gone through with big manufacturer driven teams and the linked massive increases in budgets required to compete at the top. Whilst I don't think Williams will ever be the force they once were (and genuinely worry what will happen to the team itself when Sir Frank Williams reitires - that can't be too far on the horizon), I do think they have the capabilities and experience to be a credible upper mid-field team, winning the occasional race again in the not too distant future.
#200136
Pat Symonds is being rumoured to act as a consultant for Williams and help influence the design of the FW33. Just the man for the job, and I always found him to be a legitimate character in the midst of the dodgy goings on with Flavio.

http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/61622 ... h-Williams

Former Renault chief engineer Pat Symonds is being linked with Williams while Pat Fry, who recently left McLaren, is wanted by a host of teams.

According to Italy's Autosprint magazine, Symonds is being lined up for a consultancy role with Williams following his out of court settlement with the FIA.

Even though his agreement with motor sport's governing body states that he is banned from having a direct operational role in F1 until 2013, he is allowed to act as a consultant and the Grove-based team are keen to make use of his expertise for the design of the FW33 for 2011.

Another man who is on the move is former McLaren chief engineer Fry.

The 46-year-old Fry, who was with McLaren for almost 20 years before quitting recently, is reportedly a wanted man.

Autosprint says he is set to team up with Ross Brawn at Mercedes GP while Finland's Turun Sanomat claims Force India, Red Bull and Toro Rosso are all interested in his services.
#200163
They gotta be back at the top one day

Why do you say that? If it's because they deserve to, nothing is a given in F1. You have to improve ahead of the rest of the pack within the regulations or you will never win races. This goes for all teams new or old.
#200177
In the long term a bet on Renault is a safe one. In and out of the sport in one form or another, falls but usually comes out on top again, curiously this time as a customer engine.
#200181
They gotta be back at the top one day

Why do you say that? If it's because they deserve to, nothing is a given in F1. You have to improve ahead of the rest of the pack within the regulations or you will never win races. This goes for all teams new or old.

1 big cycle
#200191
Well if you think about it, a team starts to do well, other teams then start to poach members of that team not only drivers, then given the incubation period of a car the team that did the head hunting will start to emerge as a stronger force.

Look at how teams that have had Adrian Newey work for them rise and fall.

Williams 1990 - 1996
Year Pts
1988 20
1989 77
1990 57
1991 125
1992 164
1993 168
1994 118
1995 118
1996 175
1997 123

1998 38
1999 35

In red is the years that he would of had major influence over that car.

McLaren 1996 - 2006

1995 30
1996 49
1997 63
1998 156
1999 124
2000 162
2001 102
2002 65
2003 142
2004 69
2005 105
2005 77
2006 110
2007 218

2008 151
2009 71

Red Bull 2006 - present

2005 34
2006 16
2007 24
2008 29
2009 153.5
2010 156

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