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[bud]

Like Lewis said Redbull were taking it easy, I don't think Alonso would have made an impact on webber let alone vettel! End of the day the 6 guys ahead of Alonso didn't wreck their cars in P3, All this If talk is pointless! Could throw in, if there wasn't a SC on the first lap Ferando wouldn't have finished in the points!

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not as bad as I thought it would be

[darwin dali]

Like Lewis said Redbull were taking it easy, I don't think Alonso would have made an impact on webber let alone vettel! End of the day the 6 guys ahead of Alonso didn't wreck their cars in P3, All this If talk is pointless! Could throw in, if there wasn't a SC on the first lap Ferando wouldn't have finished in the points!

Loving your new avatar/sig bud

not as bad as I thought it would be

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[f1ea]

Like Lewis said Redbull were taking it easy, I don't think Alonso would have made an impact on webber let alone vettel! End of the day the 6 guys ahead of Alonso didn't wreck their cars in P3, All this If talk is pointless! Could throw in, if there wasn't a SC on the first lap Ferando wouldn't have finished in the points!

He had a window to make his strategy work... lets say anywhere around L5-10 could have worked as well. He would have had to make the passes on the soft tires without worrying about wear, then change to hards as he did, at the earliest SC; the front runners would probably not have pitted before L10.

As for him challenging the Red Bulls... i doubt it also. It was a possibility, because he couldnt Q; possibly challenged Kubica or Vettel... but not Webber.

Let's see in Turkey though... hopefully its a straight forward race (ie with a Red Bull failure ) then he can win.

[bud]

I think it will go back to McLaren will be stronger at Turkey than Ferrari as it were in Spain! Monaco form doesn't always transcend to other circuits.

[f1ea]

I think it will go back to McLaren will be stronger at Turkey than Ferrari as it were in Spain! Monaco form doesn't always transcend to other circuits.

Ah yeah, i forgot about Mclaren form in Spain... except maybe for the tires thing, that can help Ferrari for the race; also if they've fixed some of the new updates they had at Spain. Ferrari was really poor in spain.

Monaco is a unique circuit and package. But Red Bull is strong everywhere right now... dominant.

[FerrariFan63]

I think it will go back to McLaren will be stronger at Turkey than Ferrari as it were in Spain! Monaco form doesn't always transcend to other circuits.

Ah yeah, i forgot about Mclaren form in Spain... except maybe for the tires thing, that can help Ferrari for the race; also if they've fixed some of the new updates they had at Spain. Ferrari was really poor in spain.

Monaco is a unique circuit and package. But Red Bull is strong everywhere right now... dominant.

Ferrari scored 26 points in Spain, McLaren scored 10. Alonso was on the podium, McLaren's sole finish was in 5th. Yeah, McLaren had the speed but overall Ferrari outperformed McLaren.

[bud]

I think it will go back to McLaren will be stronger at Turkey than Ferrari as it were in Spain! Monaco form doesn't always transcend to other circuits.

Ah yeah, i forgot about Mclaren form in Spain... except maybe for the tires thing, that can help Ferrari for the race; also if they've fixed some of the new updates they had at Spain. Ferrari was really poor in spain.

Monaco is a unique circuit and package. But Red Bull is strong everywhere right now... dominant.

Ferrari scored 26 points in Spain, McLaren scored 10. Alonso was on the podium, McLaren's sole finish was in 5th. Yeah, McLaren had the speed but overall Ferrari outperformed McLaren.

youre not looking at the bigger picture again its like saying after the first 4 races McLaren were leading both championships then they have the fastest car. not accurate and neither is what you just said about Spain.

[FerrariFan63]

youre not looking at the bigger picture again its like saying after the first 4 races McLaren were leading both championships then they have the fastest car. not accurate and neither is what you just said about Spain.

Points talk BS walks. The overall performance of the two teams is only a means to an end, points. And Ferrari got well over twice the number of points that McLaren got at Spain. So, you can claim that the McLaren car was faster at Spain, yes. But to use the general term "outperformed" is plain silly. As overall performance is a combination of a large number of factors, of which outright pace is only one.

Sorry, but as far as F1 is concerned, points are "the big picture" as far as F1 races are concerned. Because points are what decides the championships.

[bud]

Well i would rather be in Redbulls shoes knowing their car is the pace setter even though McLaren were leading the championships before Spain. Same goes for Ferrari, sure they got a lucky 2nd but unless they lift their performance as in speed not luck then they arent going to challenge McLaren let alone Redbull.

[FerrariFan63]

Well i would rather be in Redbulls shoes knowing their car is the pace setter even though McLaren were leading the championships before Spain. Same goes for Ferrari, sure they got a lucky 2nd but unless they lift their performance as in speed not luck then they arent going to challenge McLaren let alone Redbull.

That's easy to say when in hindsight it appears that Red Bull have fixed their reliability problems (including hot-headedness by the drivers) while not taking so long to do so that they lost their speed advantage. And in a very high tech engineering field like F1, it's far from "luck" when your car makes it to the end of a race and a competitor's car doesn't. The way the points allocations are at the moment, consistency is favoured over outright pace. Those in charge of engineering and management of staff need to take note of that. All the speed in the world does you no good if you leave a bung in the radiator.

[bud]

I'm bored, I'll say you win , you know more than me etc etc bla bla!

[Gaz]

I think The Mclaren and The Ferrari's are so close this year its gonna be what car suits the track

[vaptin]

Ferrari focused more on sorting their engine problems which affected the speed updates for Barcelona.

Massa wasn't on it at Barcelona either, and in Turkey he should be.

To be honest I think it's a lot easier for Ferrari and McLaren to squabble at each other, as both stand a decent chance of getting ahead in that battle, but Rebull are the real threat.

[bud]

Ferrari focused more on sorting their engine problems which affected the speed updates for Barcelona.

Do you mean in their top speed? i think the F-Duct is more reason behind that. They got better straight line speed but it cost them in the tighter sectors, they might get a better balance for Turkey after going through the data. Still i think like you said in the other thread, Macca and Ferrari might be squabbling but i think it will be behind the Redbulls... for the next few races at least!

[vaptin]

Ferrari focused more on sorting their engine problems which affected the speed updates for Barcelona.

Do you mean in their top speed? i think the F-Duct is more reason behind that. They got better straight line speed but it cost them in the tighter sectors, they might get a better balance for Turkey after going through the data. Still i think like you said in the other thread, Macca and Ferrari might be squabbling but i think it will be behind the Redbulls... for the next few races at least!

No, by "speed" I just meant generically (and crudely) making the car go faster.