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[AKR]

Just proves that bullsh1t UEFA Coefficants are exactly that, Bullsh1t.

just proves Brazilian players being latin prefer latin leagues. Maths doesnt lie

Doesn't work like that. Brazilians dont generally go to the leagues that are more Latin. Ie Italian and Spanish. If so why aren't all the top Brazilians in the Portuguese League? Afterall they speak the same language there. All the best football players go where there is the most cash. This generally are clubs from the big 4 leagues. Serie A, Premier League, La Liga and the Bundesliga. In the case of Brazil's elite, there is only one player from the EPL. Also note that the final of the Champions League will be played between Inter (Serie A) and Bayern München (Bundesliga). UEFA Coefficients say these leagues are 3rd and 4th. Fact is the Champions of Europe this year will either be a German side or an Italian side. Futher evidence that shows UEFA Coefficients are a waste of time. Bud this isn't F1 so be wise and don't argue with me.

[bud]

Just proves that bullsh1t UEFA Coefficants are exactly that, Bullsh1t.

just proves Brazilian players being latin prefer latin leagues. Maths doesnt lie

Doesn't work like that. Brazilians dont generally go to the leagues that are more Latin. Ie Italian and Spanish. If so why aren't all the top Brazilians in the Portuguese League? Afterall they speak the same language there. All the best football players go where there is the most cash. This generally are clubs from the big 4 leagues. Serie A, Premier League, La Liga and the Bundesliga. In the case of Brazil's elite, there is only one player from the EPL. Also note that the final of the Champions League will be played between Inter (Serie A) and Bayern München (Bundesliga). UEFA Coefficients say these leagues are 3rd and 4th. Fact is the Champions of Europe this year will either be a German side or an Italian side. Futher evidence that shows UEFA Coefficients are a waste of time. Bud this isn't F1 so be wise and don't argue with me.

yet if the Italian league was ranked #1 you wouldnt be complaining about it no doubt.

[scotty]

What point are you trying to make AKR? That Serie A is the best league in Europe? Anyway Spain have the best team atm and all their players play in the EPL/La Liga!

[AKR]

Just proves that bullsh1t UEFA Coefficants are exactly that, Bullsh1t.

just proves Brazilian players being latin prefer latin leagues. Maths doesnt lie

Doesn't work like that. Brazilians dont generally go to the leagues that are more Latin. Ie Italian and Spanish. If so why aren't all the top Brazilians in the Portuguese League? Afterall they speak the same language there. All the best football players go where there is the most cash. This generally are clubs from the big 4 leagues. Serie A, Premier League, La Liga and the Bundesliga. In the case of Brazil's elite, there is only one player from the EPL. Also note that the final of the Champions League will be played between Inter (Serie A) and Bayern München (Bundesliga). UEFA Coefficients say these leagues are 3rd and 4th. Fact is the Champions of Europe this year will either be a German side or an Italian side. Futher evidence that shows UEFA Coefficients are a waste of time. Bud this isn't F1 so be wise and don't argue with me.

yet if the Italian league was ranked #1 you wouldnt be complaining about it no doubt.

Do you really want to try your luck and simply end up losing? I don't think so but if you insist? Let me see who is the best. In Europe it is Italy. Facts stand clear. If the EPl were better, then why don't they win every year? Tell me why don't they? In fact why will this years winner be either Italian or German? If the EPL were better why haven't they won the most Champions Leagues? Italy and England have 11 and Spain has 12 with Germany on 6. Of course you do know that either Germany or Italy will increase by 1 this year as well. Also if the EPL were the best, why do Serie A clubs have more total wins in all Internatioanl competition and why is AC Milan the most successful in the world? And if the EPL were best, why is the coach of the English national side (Fabio Capello) Italian? Furthermore Italian and sauced from Serie A. And why did McLaren the previous coach who was EPL based fail epically. And why wasn their previous Swedish coach Ericson who had some success with England also largely Serie A based? Why? Surely if the EPL were best, England could at least sauce their own coaches from their own league. And why are the coaches of 5 major EPL sides all not English with 2 being Italian? We have Ancelloti (Italianj of Chelsea, Mancini (Italian) of Manchester City, Wenger (French) of Arsenal, Benetiz (Spanish) of Liverpool and Furguson (Scotish) of Man Utd. Most of the Italian big sides have Italian coaches. I guess Mourinho of Inter and Leonardo of AC Milan are the major exceptions. And further more why are the last 2 World Champion counties (Italy in 2006 and Brazil in 2002) have players that are by far a majority in Serie A then in the EPL? Surely if the EPL were best, these players who played for the best countries of the time in the world would of played in England if England were really the best. If you even know how UEFA Coeficients work, you will see (I'll keep it extremelly simple here) that if one country comes say 2nd, 3rd and 4th, will score morem than the country that is sole winner. Not counting this year, the EPL had 3 teams out of 4 in the UCL semi final. But only one once in 2008, whereas Italy (AC Milan) won in 2007 and Barcelona (Spain) won in 2009. So the EPL score more points in the years they didnt win, yet the winners of 2 of those years were from Serie A and La Liga. In the end winning is all that matters. Winning equals glory and success. UEFA Coefficients are bullsh1t. My point is clearly proven. One make a further fool out of yourself Bud, then go right ahead and try in vain to challenge what I just wrote if you dare.

[AKR]

What point are you trying to make AKR? That Serie A is the best league in Europe? Anyway Spain have the best team atm and all their players play in the EPL/La Liga!

I hate Inter but didn't they beat the best team in the world? Barcelona. Oh and didnt Bayern beat the so called might of Manchester United. Looks like the Bundesliga and Serie A reighn supreme at the moment.

[AKR]

What point are you trying to make AKR? That Serie A is the best league in Europe? Anyway Spain have the best team atm and all their players play in the EPL/La Liga!

I hate Inter but didn't they beat the best team in the world? Barcelona. Oh and didnt Bayern beat the so called might of Manchester United. Looks like the Bundesliga and Serie A reighn supreme at the moment.

Oh hang on you mean Spain's National side. They are sh1t!. They will never win the world cup. Barely win in the Euros of 2008. Beat Italy on a penalty shootpout (anyone could of won) and just beat an inferior Germany 1-0 in the final. Brazil, Argentina (Which has plenty of Serie A based players), Italy and Germnay all walk over Spain. And history shows it. Brazil 5 times champions, Italy 4, Germnay 3 and Argentina 2. And Spain ZERO and will remain on zero.

[scotty]

One team doesn't make a league. The coefficients merely prove that England has had the most overall success in the CL (and Europa league i think?) over the past few seasons.

Say, don't you support Juventus? It's okay, i can understand why you are so bitter now!

Sadly the earliest England could meet Italy in the WC is in the semis. However, on June 23rd, if i've got that flag in your sig correct...

On the subject of Spain's team, i reckon they are starting to live up to themselves now, i but if Iniesta Torres and Fabregas don't make it, it'll be much harder for them.

Germany are screwed cause Ballack is out. We'll be screwed if Rooney is out, but hopefully it'll be ok. I would never write off Brazil, especially with Kaka. Argentina might fall apart cause of Maradona's incompetence despite having the best player in the world. Italy are lacking up front (but they have Pirlo - one of my favourites, the guy is a great player!).


Argh, can't wait for the World Cup, it's always brilliant.

[AKR]

One team doesn't make a league. The coefficients merely prove that England has had the most overall success in the CL (and Europa league i think?) over the past few seasons.

Say, don't you support Juventus? It's okay, i can understand why you are so bitter now!

Sadly the earliest England could meet Italy in the WC is in the semis. However, on June 23rd, if i've got that flag in your sig correct...

On the subject of Spain's team, i reckon they are starting to live up to themselves now, i but if Iniesta Torres and Fabregas don't make it, it'll be much harder for them.

Germany are screwed cause Ballack is out. We'll be screwed if Rooney is out, but hopefully it'll be ok. I would never write off Brazil, especially with Kaka. Argentina might fall apart cause of Maradona's incompetence despite having the best player in the world. Italy are lacking up front (but they have Pirlo - one of my favourites, the guy is a great player!).


Argh, can't wait for the World Cup, it's always brilliant.

I go for Juve in Serie A, Chelsea in the EPL (So cant be all that bitter), Stuttgart in the Bundesliga, Hajduk Split in Croatia and Olimpija Ljubjana in my birth city. Btw its fun stirring up bud, especially when he knows little or nothing about football unlike us 2. Anyway your analysis of the WC is spot on, although I think Spain will fall over. I was going to tip England (not because I want them to win, but because I think they can win) but with Rooney out I'm not too sure now. Italy and Germany always a force, even when they look like they are finished, but cant see Italy doing it twice in a row. Brazil are always a powerhouse and Argentina are not so great under Maradona despite the class players they have. So perhaps I will place no bets because it's too hard.

[bud]

[ Btw its fun stirring up bud, especially when he knows little or nothing about football unlike us 2.:

I thought i was stirring you up and youre right i know little about soccer but enough to call it that

[vaptin]

Prilo better have a good world cup, he's had a rubbish season with Milan. And not totti.

Still, Buffon's always good to watch.

Haven't a clue what Maradonna's thinking.

Capello's a smart cookie, he should do ok.

[Bruno_Brazil]

Brazil selection is done!!

the list:

Júlio César (Inter Milan/Italy)
Gomes (Tottenham/England)
Doni (Roma/Italy)
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Maicon (Inter Milan/Italy)
Daniel Alves (Barcelona/Spain)
Gilberto (Cruzeiro/Brazil)
Michel Bastos (Lyon/France)
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Juan (Roma/Italy)
Lúcio (Inter Milan/Italy)
Luisão (Benfica/Portugal)
Thiago Silva (Milan/Italy)
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Gilberto Silva (Panathinaikos/Greece)
Felipe Melo (Juventus/Italy)
Josué (Wolfsburg/Germany)
Kléberson (Flamengo/Brazil)
Elano (Galatasary/Turkey)
Ramires (Benfica/Portugal)
Kaká (Real Madrid/Spain)
Júlio Baptista (Roma/Italy)
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Luís Fabiano (Sevilla/Spain)
Nilmar (Villareal/Spain)
Robinho (Santos/Brazil)
Grafite (Wolfsburg/Germany)


I got a really good feeling about this team!

Where is Diego?! (Juventus midfielder) he's a great player from what i've seen...

edit: and for that matter what about Alex (Chelsea defender), he's had a good season too. Man, some people made weird omissions from their squads, Maradona left out Cambiasso and Zanetti for example, two key players for an Inter Milan team that could and probably will win the Champions League.

Buddy, Diego is not even in the surrogate list which is:
# Diego Tardelli (Atlético-BRA)
# Ganso (Santos-BRA)
# Carlos Eduardo (Hoffenheim-ALE)
# Marcelo (Real Madrid-ESP)
# Alex (Chelsea-ING)
# Ronaldinho Gaúcho (Milan-ITA)
# Sandro (Internacional-BRA)

The reason is that Diego has never played for the selection very well, unlike his Juventus performance.
But Dunga does have some weird decisions!
How is it possible KLEBERSON , elano, gilberto (just to mention a few) be in this team?? and Paulo Henrique Ganso, Ronaldinho etc. don't ?

I hope Dunga is doing this because he believes that these players are willing to bleed out their eyes for the team, and that this blood is enough to win the WC.

[scotty]

Elano isn't a bad player, he was very good for Man City in fact. You'll love him if he pulls one of these out the bag! That free kick was damn near perfect. Agreed about Kleberson though.

[McLaren]

One team doesn't make a league. The coefficients merely prove that England has had the most overall success in the CL (and Europa league i think?) over the past few seasons.

Say, don't you support Juventus? It's okay, i can understand why you are so bitter now!

Sadly the earliest England could meet Italy in the WC is in the semis. However, on June 23rd, if i've got that flag in your sig correct...

On the subject of Spain's team, i reckon they are starting to live up to themselves now, i but if Iniesta Torres and Fabregas don't make it, it'll be much harder for them.

Germany are screwed cause Ballack is out. We'll be screwed if Rooney is out, but hopefully it'll be ok. I would never write off Brazil, especially with Kaka. Argentina might fall apart cause of Maradona's incompetence despite having the best player in the world. Italy are lacking up front (but they have Pirlo - one of my favourites, the guy is a great player!).


Argh, can't wait for the World Cup, it's always brilliant.

I go for Juve in Serie A, Chelsea in the EPL (So cant be all that bitter), Stuttgart in the Bundesliga, Hajduk Split in Croatia and Olimpija Ljubjana in my birth city. Btw its fun stirring up bud, especially when he knows little or nothing about football unlike us 2. Anyway your analysis of the WC is spot on, although I think Spain will fall over. I was going to tip England (not because I want them to win, but because I think they can win) but with Rooney out I'm not too sure now. Italy and Germany always a force, even when they look like they are finished, but cant see Italy doing it twice in a row. Brazil are always a powerhouse and Argentina are not so great under Maradona despite the class players they have. So perhaps I will place no bets because it's too hard.

Dunno where you got the idea Roo is out but he isn't.He might be rested in the two friendlys before the tournament but he will be fit for KO v the yanks .Even with him I must say I don't think we have a hope of winning it to be honest.

I think its wide open the italians proved last time you only need a bit of luck and anything is possible.So close to going out in the group stages'if it wasn't for dodgy refereeing they would of gone out.Thats just what a thin line between winning and loseing.

I think I would say Spain although they tend to bottle the big occasions if not Brazil for me.Don't think England,Italy,Germany or the Argies will be good enough but who knows with a slice of luck anything is possible.

[Bruno_Brazil]

Elano isn't a bad player, he was very good for Man City in fact. You'll love him if he pulls one of these out the bag! That free kick was damn near perfect. Agreed about Kleberson though.

Nah man, what Elano is able to do is not enough to make him a national team player, not even close.
not to mention that this team has too many defensive midfielders.
The only player we have who can decide one game in a genial move is Kaka, and he is not 100% physically yet.
Check a little bit what Ganso can do:
[youtube]_Z0RXSNTeco[/youtube]
The guy has such a great view of the game.
A real attacking midfielder who plays with the head up, always alert to what's happening around.

[McLaren]

Just proves that bullsh1t UEFA Coefficants are exactly that, Bullsh1t.

just proves Brazilian players being latin prefer latin leagues. Maths doesnt lie

Doesn't work like that. Brazilians dont generally go to the leagues that are more Latin. Ie Italian and Spanish. If so why aren't all the top Brazilians in the Portuguese League? Afterall they speak the same language there. All the best football players go where there is the most cash. This generally are clubs from the big 4 leagues. Serie A, Premier League, La Liga and the Bundesliga. In the case of Brazil's elite, there is only one player from the EPL. Also note that the final of the Champions League will be played between Inter (Serie A) and Bayern München (Bundesliga). UEFA Coefficients say these leagues are 3rd and 4th. Fact is the Champions of Europe this year will either be a German side or an Italian side. Futher evidence that shows UEFA Coefficients are a waste of time. Bud this isn't F1 so be wise and don't argue with me.

yet if the Italian league was ranked #1 you wouldnt be complaining about it no doubt.

Do you really want to try your luck and simply end up losing? I don't think so but if you insist? Let me see who is the best. In Europe it is Italy. Facts stand clear. If the EPl were better, then why don't they win every year? Tell me why don't they?

This will be the first time in six years we havn't had a team in the final.To add further we have had most teams in the semi finals over the past six years aswell.So over the last few years the prem has been the best on results.

In fact why will this years winner be either Italian or German? If the EPL were better why haven't they won the most Champions Leagues? Italy and England have 11 and Spain has 12 with Germany on 6. Of course you do know that either Germany or Italy will increase by 1 this year as well. Also if the EPL were the best, why do Serie A clubs have more total wins in all Internatioanl competition and why is AC Milan the most successful in the world?

You will find that Real Madrid is the most succeesfull team not Milan.

And if the EPL were best, why is the coach of the English national side (Fabio Capello) Italian? Furthermore Italian and sauced from Serie A. And why did McLaren the previous coach who was EPL based fail epically. And why wasn their previous Swedish coach Ericson who had some success with England also largely Serie A based? Why? Surely if the EPL were best, England could at least sauce their own coaches from their own league.

Doean't matter if the coaches are from Italy,Spain or even the planet Mars the fact the Prem has had more teams in the last four over the last few years shows that at the moment it probly is the strongest league in the europe.Oh and by the way I hate it hope they all go bankrupt and then maybe football won't be a 4/5 horse race for the title anymore.

And why are the coaches of 5 major EPL sides all not English with 2 being Italian? We have Ancelloti (Italianj of Chelsea, Mancini (Italian) of Manchester City, Wenger (French) of Arsenal, Benetiz (Spanish) of Liverpool and Furguson (Scotish) of Man Utd. Most of the Italian big sides have Italian coaches.

Where the manager comes from doesn't make the slightest difference if the team is good or not.Those managers are in the PREM end of.You are talking about leagues being better.

Lets look at Inter they won there c/l semi final without a single Itailian starting.So kind of KO's the manager theory about being from that nation


I guess Mourinho of Inter and Leonardo of AC Milan are the major exceptions. And further more why are the last 2 World Champion counties (Italy in 2006 and Brazil in 2002) have players that are by far a majority in Serie A then in the EPL? Surely if the EPL were best, these players who played for the best countries of the time in the world would of played in England if England were really the best. If you even know how UEFA Coeficients work, you will see (I'll keep it extremelly simple here) that if one country comes say 2nd, 3rd and 4th, will score morem than the country that is sole winner. Not counting this year, the EPL had 3 teams out of 4 in the UCL semi final. But only one once in 2008, whereas Italy (AC Milan) won in 2007 and Barcelona (Spain) won in 2009. So the EPL score more points in the years they didnt win, yet the winners of 2 of those years were from Serie A and La Liga. In the end winning is all that matters. Winning equals glory and success. UEFA Coefficients are bullsh1t. My point is clearly proven. One make a further fool out of yourself Bud, then go right ahead and try in vain to challenge what I just wrote if you dare.

Just for the record I don't think winning the champions league is the biggest thing in club football.it used to be until it was reformated.Take when Liverpool won it,they havn't won our domestic league for over 20 years but have been in two champions league finals in the last five years,winning one.Why could they get there?? because sides going for the league title couldn't rest players like they could.Ask most players in world football the domestic league is more important.

To sum up i would say the depth of the PREM is higher than any other league,ie if you took the bottom third of Italy,Spain and the Prem english clubs would come out on top.Hense we have a harder season and it shows near the end,also have an extra cup competition(something that really is pointless).

Having said all that and argued with the points I felt I needed to haha ment in a constructive way by the way.In Spain Barca are the best team but probly not the strongest league overall.

It goes in phases over recent years it was the Italians then the Spanish then the English, and maybe now the ballance of power is starting to move once more ???.

Just for the record I think the best side ever is the Milan side of the late 80's with Van Basten,Gullit,Rijkaard,Baresi and Maldini to name but a few.