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#199656
Thought this was a very interesting read and would post it here for those who haven't yet read it. Benson brings up some very good and interesting points and he is quite right in a lot of what he says.

Alonso over-reaching in fight with Red Bull

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Andrew Benson | 15:48 UK time, Sunday, 16 May 2010

Mark Webber drove superbly to take a dominant victory in the Monaco Grand Prix on Sunday but it is hard to escape the feeling that the only man who might have beaten him crossed the finish line seventh.

After a typically combative drive, and with help from the safety car and excellent strategy by Ferrari, Fernando Alonso salvaged more than he might have expected after starting from the back of the grid following his heavy crash in Saturday practice.

But Alonso will be leaving Monaco with more regrets than satisfaction - and they will have nothing to do with the way Mercedes's Michael Schumacher snatched sixth place from under his nose as the safety car pulled off with just one corner to go, a move that was later ruled illegal by the stewards.

Before Alonso's practice crash, the Ferrari had looked especially fast in Monaco and I understand he was very confident of taking pole position had he not had his mishap. From there, the race would have been his to lose.

Webber would have something to say about that, of course - he and his Red Bull looked in a league of their own on Saturday and Sunday. But even if Alonso had only managed the front row, the Australian would certainly have expected some stiff opposition from his friend.

Instead, Alonso provided an example of exactly how Monaco can bite even the very best drivers.

He was just a few centimetres off line and going slightly too fast as he turned in to the demanding 100mph Massenet corner at the top of the hill on Saturday morning, but that was enough to throw him into the unyielding barriers.

The impact broke his car's monocoque, forcing him to sit out qualifying. And the mix of frustration, anger and resignation in his eyes as he watched proceedings on Saturday betrayed his feelings about just how big a missed opportunity this was.

Alonso got a bit defensive later that afternoon when he was questioned about the number of mistakes he was making this season, denying he was feeling the pressure of an already intense title battle.

He pointed out that at his home race in Spain last weekend, when he should have been feeling the most pressure, he was flawless, which is true enough.

The fact is, though, that for someone renowned for his matchless consistency, Alonso has made an unusual number of errors in 2010.

Even in Bahrain, which he went on to win, he qualified only third, behind team-mate Felipe Massa, after a mistake on his best lap.

In Australia, he collided with Jenson Button at the first corner and spun. He recovered brilliantly to fourth place but it was a race he could - and perhaps should - have won.

In Malaysia, he was central to Ferrari's decision not to go out early in the wet first qualifying session - a call that backfired terribly when conditions worsened and he and Massa qualified 19th and 21st.

And in China, he jumped the start, forcing him into yet another superb fightback to another fourth place.

It is clear what is going on here. Alonso wants nothing more than to win the championship in his debut season at Ferrari, but he has found himself fighting a much faster car in the Red Bull.

In trying to beat them, and keep himself in the championship picture, he is taking more risks than he would otherwise do.

Until Monaco, he had just about got away with it. But this weekend the gamble failed, against a barrier right outside the Casino.

Alonso scored only a handful of points when a potential 25 were on offer, which has put a big dent in his title hopes.

Had he finished in the top three, he would have left Monaco with a substantial championship lead.

As it is, following Webber's dominant victory and his team-mate Sebastian Vettel's second place ahead of an inspired Robert Kubica's Renault, Alonso is third, three points behind the Red Bull drivers - with Webber and Vettel tied on points, but the Monaco winner in the lead by virtue of his two wins to Vettel's one.

Now the Red Bull drivers are in front, finally coming good after a stuttering start to the season, the two drivers in F1's fastest car will be very hard to beat - as Alonso knows only too well.

Alonso's last victory in Monaco was in 2007, and it was the event that marked the beginning of the end of his relationship with McLaren and their former team principal Ron Dennis.

That race is remembered as one that Alonso won thanks to team orders, after McLaren told team-mate Lewis Hamilton to slow down and not challenge Alonso for the victory.

But that reading is wrong.

This has never come out before, but it was Dennis's actions after that race that so angered Alonso, and which convinced him the team would always be behind Hamilton and not him. That was the backdrop to the tumultuous fall-out that enveloped McLaren and Alonso as that famous 'spy-gate' summer unfolded.

As a McLaren insider revealed to me: "Fernando won in Monaco fair and square in 2007.

"Lewis was generally quicker through the weekend, but in qualifying Fernando did it and Lewis didn't. Lewis was quicker in the first run but then he made mistakes and Fernando got pole.

"Fernando won the race because he pulled an 11-second gap in the first stint when Lewis had (tyre) graining and after that Fernando was just cruising because we had rear brake issues.

"But after the race, Ron said to Fernando: 'Be nice to Lewis because we had to (pit) stop him early.' And Fernando said: 'What do you mean? I was just cruising.'

"He got very annoyed about that because it was like Ron saying we handed you the victory. Even after that, the relationship was unrecoverable."

Alonso might be over-reaching in his attempts to take the Ferrari to places where it should not be, but there seems no chance of his relationship with his new team deteriorating in the same way.

For one thing, team principal Stefano Domenicali appears to have a deft hand when it comes to handling human relationships. For another, Massa, unlike Hamilton, clearly does not have the all-round ability to threaten Alonso on a regular basis.

But largely it is because Ferrari could not be more impressed with their new driver.

I understand that, even after just six races, they already feel that as a whole package - being a team player, technical feedback, his ability to read a race weekend and speed - Alonso is even better than Schumacher, the man who won five championships and 72 grands prix for the legendary Italian team.

Yes, you read that right. Ferrari have the feeling that Alonso is faster than Schumacher was at his best. (And yes, I know, the concept of him being a team player will raise smiles down at McLaren, after what happened there in 2007.)

Be that as it may, if the Ferrari fails to improve relative to its rivals, and Alonso continues to try too hard, then it will be hard to win the title in the face of the Red Bull's stunning speed.

But Ferrari are known to have a major aerodynamic upgrade due at some point in the next few races, about which they are very confident.

If that proves as good as they hope, allowing Alonso to take fewer risks and cut out the mistakes, then the Red Bull drivers may yet be beatable.
#199664
Very interesting and informative article. Certainly over 2007 McLaren, Alonso break-up.

It goes a good way to show why Lewis was able to regulary challenge and beat Fernando, and Lewis himself has admitted to this. During the start of the year it was Alonso getting his own way within McLaren, but later they began listening to Lewis just as much as Alonso. We've seen just how much of an advantage having a car your comfortable with has provided, and the main example is Kubica and Renault this year. Renault have diverted all their attention to Kubica, making him comfortable in the car, and extremely fast, whilst Petrov suffers from lack of input really.

Things are very different this year though. Alonso has really managed to get key people within Ferrari on his side, and it's Massa who is suffering because of it. I don't believe for one second that Massa is just randomly struggling at times this year, because it's just not like him. Clearly Ferrari are favouring Alonso in terms of key car development.


This is kinda why I'm not a fan of Alonso. I'd admire his driving, but not how he finds that speed. He tends to run around like a spoilt brat at times, demanding that number 1 status within a team. We seen it at Renault constantly, much to the expense of Fisichella. We seen him try the same at McLaren, only for Hamilton and Ron to stick a spanner in the works, and now we're seeing it at Ferrari.
#199671
Very interesting and informative article. Certainly over 2007 McLaren, Alonso break-up.

It goes a good way to show why Lewis was able to regulary challenge and beat Fernando, and Lewis himself has admitted to this. During the start of the year it was Alonso getting his own way within McLaren, but later they began listening to Lewis just as much as Alonso. We've seen just how much of an advantage having a car your comfortable with has provided, and the main example is Kubica and Renault this year. Renault have diverted all their attention to Kubica, making him comfortable in the car, and extremely fast, whilst Petrov suffers from lack of input really.

Things are very different this year though. Alonso has really managed to get key people within Ferrari on his side, and it's Massa who is suffering because of it. I don't believe for one second that Massa is just randomly struggling at times this year, because it's just not like him. Clearly Ferrari are favouring Alonso in terms of key car development.


This is kinda why I'm not a fan of Alonso. I'd admire his driving, but not how he finds that speed. He tends to run around like a spoilt brat at times, demanding that number 1 status within a team. We seen it at Renault constantly, much to the expense of Fisichella. We seen him try the same at McLaren, only for Hamilton and Ron to stick a spanner in the works, and now we're seeing it at Ferrari.


Thats the reason i can't like him too.
#199687
Interesting read...

I agree Fernando has made more mistakes this season than he should have... and that he may have had made before. The pressure is VERY high, for one Ferrari is a strong car, and they have a shot at the Red Bull; which is incredibly fast. But without the mistakes Alonso/Ferrari have made, Red Bull would be quite behind.

Not sure what is the issue regarding the teammate relationship... because Massa had ALWAYS had more "important" drivers and he didnt struggle like he's struggling now. Moreover... Massa has NOT shown the capabilities of any of the drives Fernando has already put this season, quite the contrary: Massa has shown unable to pass for example Button although lapping faster, while Fernando did him twice in the same race with a broken clutch/gear. Unfortunate for Massa... but Ferrari must be very impressed with Fernando.

Red Bull is faster. Alonso can challenge, but without the F10 improving he will have to pull bold moves and expose himself to mistakes.
#199693
This is kinda why I'm not a fan of Alonso. I'd admire his driving, but not how he finds that speed. He tends to run around like a spoilt brat at times, demanding that number 1 status within a team.


I don't get why people always complain about Alonso doing this. All the drivers with the most World Championships were the same way (Schumacher, Fangio, Prost, Senna, Piquet Sr, etc.).
#199695
This is kinda why I'm not a fan of Alonso. I'd admire his driving, but not how he finds that speed. He tends to run around like a spoilt brat at times, demanding that number 1 status within a team.


I don't get why people always complain about Alonso doing this. All the drivers with the most World Championships were the same way (Schumacher, Fangio, Prost, Senna, Piquet Sr, etc.).


Yup. See Senna in 1986, Prost in 1993, etc etc etc. All these sorts of drivers want a really quick teammate but not one that will overshadow them.

I'm not sure i agree with the essential point of this article either. Really his only two poor mistakes this season have been the jumped start in China and the accident yesterday. He's already won 2 titles against drivers in superior cars so i don't think it'd suddenly start bothering him now too. :scratchchin: Is this guy going to make the same claims against Hamilton next? He is another driver who has arguably not maximised the car's potential either, yet is still driving undeniably great races this season. Hell, you could say the same for several of those top drivers and make a big deal of it.
#199699
If you believe the rumours about Ferrari and Kubica, How is Alonso going to cope with that?


They're only rumours so far, but they make sense. Its not a matter of Ferrari looking to close a deal with Kubica, but more in the lines of Ferrari looking at the whole picture and all the possible drivers; They HAVE to be looking into all the available drivers, including Massa.

Also, if Fernando and Ferrari are working on making the team a power, then I guess there is not much to cope with except not go against anything that could be beneficial to the team and even himself. its always going to be a matter of making things work out, no matter who they sign.

I don't get why people always complain about Alonso doing this. All the drivers with the most World Championships were the same way (Schumacher, Fangio, Prost, Senna, Piquet Sr, etc.).


:yes: You dont even have to look at the guys w/ championships. Look at Nico Rosberg and Juan Pablo Montoya... Ralf Schumacher... the list goes on. They're all brats.
#199708
Two things in this thread that I cant fathom. One, the far fetched thought that Alonso could push Ferrari into designing the car for him and leaving Massa in the cold. Sure, lets forget that Massa has always been a mediocre driver at best. Second, that Hamilton is the only guy on the grid who could have challenged for the win this weekend. Both beliefs are ridiculous.

Ferrari is all about winning. If Massa was being slighted...that whining baby would be singing to the press daily about it.
#199752
Two things in this thread that I cant fathom. One, the far fetched thought that Alonso could push Ferrari into designing the car for him and leaving Massa in the cold. Sure, lets forget that Massa has always been a mediocre driver at best. Second, that Hamilton is the only guy on the grid who could have challenged for the win this weekend. Both beliefs are ridiculous.

Ferrari is all about winning. If Massa was being slighted...that whining baby would be singing to the press daily about it.


Where has anyone said that Lewis could of Challenged for the win? - Your right however that Mclaren just was not fast enough to be able to get into contention.

As for Nando its hard to see who the team favours, but when Massa struggled in spain that was apparently down to tires.
#199770
^Indeed, ferrari have already said their looking into it.

Massa said its easier on the softer sets of tires, ie the ones in Monaco and it looks like he did fine there.

The issue is supposed to be due to the f10 being really kind to its tires, similar to brawn last year, Alonso has the aggression to not have to worry about getting heat into them but Massa struggles.
#199772
See it's easy for Massa to blame the tyres, but all the truly top drivers are capable of modifying their driving styles to adapt to these sorts of problems, imo...
#199778
See it's easy for Massa to blame the tyres, but all the truly top drivers are capable of modifying their driving styles to adapt to these sorts of problems, imo...


Massa's not that great.
#199808
See it's easy for Massa to blame the tyres, but all the truly top drivers are capable of modifying their driving styles to adapt to these sorts of problems, imo...


Exactly, I dont see the reason people make it out as if it is somehow Alonso's fault that Massa is having trouble with his tires. Kimi had troubles for a whole season...
#199827
See it's easy for Massa to blame the tyres, but all the truly top drivers are capable of modifying their driving styles to adapt to these sorts of problems, imo...


Massa's not that great.


Wait till Turkey. He beat Alonso and schuey easily there.

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