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[What's Burning?]

whats there to challenge? Illegal Aliens are ILLEGAL plain and simple!

It is a law passed simply to make people like you feel good about something. It's all perception and NO substance.

What makes you think that there were NO laws previously allowing police officers to do their job and hand an illegal immigrant to border patrol federal agents? The assumption here is that there were no laws to assist law enforcement with the issue and that's just wrong. This is a law designed to target a group and by doing so excludes anyone lucky enough not to look like a Mexican.

What part of the provision of the law that allows ANY citizen to sue a police officer they feel is not enforcing the law do you think is designed to make police departments have to cooperate?

You tell me how you go about identifying an illegal versus an legal alien without racial profiling? Racial profiling is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. You know that document that most Americans treat like the bible when it suits them and like a Karl Marx communist manifesto when it doesn't suit them?

There is an immigration problem in this country. There is an immigration problem in most developed countries that promise immigrants a better life in exchange for hard work. Some people are slime regardless of their skin color, so don't assume that because they look a certain way, that they have a higher % of smile than white Americans.

You go out for a jog, and you don't have your wallet a police officer that HAS to "investigate" you because you're jogging in an area that illegal immigrants traverse has to arrest you because if they don't they will get sued. If they do arrest you and you then prove that you are a citizen (even if you don't look like one) and you then can sue the government for a wrongful arrest. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Makes for a great law right just to make people feel good about uninsured motorists?

Every Illegal Irish immigrant without auto insurance should move to Arizona since they know they'll never get pulled over and asked for their papers.

[bud]

police racially profile people every day, For example watch cops and youll see any description of a criminal being racially profiled... suspect is black male, suspect is caucasian male etc etc they can then pull over or stop any person matching that description based on their appearance. Is that any different?

Not that this effects me by any means but the fact remains the US has a problem with Mexican illigal immigrants. Now you can put your head in the PC sand or do something about it. Unfortunately some legit people will be targeted but lifes a bitch!

[What's Burning?]

Not that this effects me by any means but the fact remains the US has a problem with Mexican illigal immigrants. Now you can put your head in the PC sand or do something about it. Unfortunately some legit people will be targeted but lifes a bitch!

As long as you're not affected by it... we should all be so lucky.

Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you walk into an open sewer and die.

Mel Brooks

[bud]

are you saying only Americans can have an opinion?

[What's Burning?]

are you saying only Americans can have an opinion?

What have I written says that?

You're allowed your opinion regardless of what I think of them, I'm allowed mine regardless of what you think of them. You then go on and accuse me making generalized statements about what I believe without knowing anything about who I am. My arguments against this law have been factual and rational unlike your points that are emotional and personal, you're basing counterpoints on the show "Cops"...

I've said everything I needed to say on this topic, Thank you; but you're welcomed to continue to post your opinions.

[f1ea]

It is a law passed simply to make people like you feel good about something. It's all perception and NO substance.

What makes you think that there were NO laws previously allowing police officers to do their job and hand an illegal immigrant to border patrol federal agents? The assumption here is that there were no laws to assist law enforcement with the issue and that's just wrong. This is a law designed to target a group and by doing so excludes anyone lucky enough not to look like a Mexican.

What part of the provision of the law that allows ANY citizen to sue a police officer they feel is not enforcing the law do you think is designed to make police departments have to cooperate?

You tell me how you go about identifying an illegal versus an legal alien without racial profiling? Racial profiling is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. You know that document that most Americans treat like the bible when it suits them and like a Karl Marx communist manifesto when it doesn't suit them?

There is an immigration problem in this country. There is an immigration problem in most developed countries that promise immigrants a better life in exchange for hard work. Some people are slime regardless of their skin color, so don't assume that because they look a certain way, that they have a higher % of smile than white Americans.

You go out for a jog, and you don't have your wallet a police officer that HAS to "investigate" you because you're jogging in an area that illegal immigrants traverse has to arrest you because if they don't they will get sued. If they do arrest you and you then prove that you are a citizen (even if you don't look like one) and you then can sue the government for a wrongful arrest. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Makes for a great law right just to make people feel good about uninsured motorists?

Every Illegal Irish immigrant without auto insurance should move to Arizona since they know they'll never get pulled over and asked for their papers.

Very well understood.

There is a real immigration problem in the USA, and almost every country with a border. This problem has thousands of people living 'ghostly' under very little influence/privileges of the laws. Its basically the same problem we have being next to Haiti...

[bud]

are you saying only Americans can have an opinion?

What have I written says that?

You're allowed your opinion regardless of what I think of them, I'm allowed mine regardless of what you think of them. You then go on and accuse me making generalized statements about what I believe without knowing anything about who I am. My arguments against this law have been factual and rational unlike your points that are emotional and personal, you're basing counterpoints on the show "Cops"...

I've said everything I needed to say on this topic, Thank you; but you're welcomed to continue to post your opinions.

take it easy mate ffs i wasnt having a go at you, i did not understand your previous post... and emotional and personal?? why because i am upfront and dont abide by political correct BS? whatever mate and dont go and belittle my points about the cop show, i used that as a reference to policing which is accurate so whats your beef with that aside from trying to make me little??

[myownalias]

Racial profiling is morally wrong plain and simple; yes there are a lot of illegal immigrants in the US (and many developed countries as pointed out earlier, it's not a US specific issue), but there is also a lot of legal immigrants, myself included. If someone breaks a law, they should be arrested and punished according to federal and state law but this new law will lead to every other (predominately) Hispanic person being stopped, questioned/arrested because of the way they look; the US needs better border control and tracking; not have ordinary police officers enforce immigration law while real crimes go unpunished as it's a lot to take on in addition to normal day to day crime fighting.

[texasmr2]

The immigration police are so out numbered by illegals crossing what is wrong with non-immigration police helping enforce the laws?? One of if not the biggest reason Arizona is taking this stance is because Phoenix is a MAJOR port for drug runners aswell as illegals.

Police agencies nation wide are so understaffed it is rediculous and they just can't catch a break, damned if they do damned if they don't .

[myownalias]

Police agencies nation wide are so understaffed it is rediculous and they just can't catch a break, damned if they do damned if they don't .

Then things need to change in the way the state/country is run; employ more immigration officials instead of taking resources from an already overstretched police force!

[texasmr2]

Police agencies nation wide are so understaffed it is rediculous and they just can't catch a break, damned if they do damned if they don't .

Then things need to change in the way the state/country is run; employ more immigration officials instead of taking resources from an already overstretched police force!

Make your voice be heard in your area then and try to make an actual difference by participation in some form or fashion other than just complaining about it as most people do yet they do nothing to help the cause. I'm making my contribution by becoming a peace officer ie throwing myself into the fire.

The states and city's constantly bitch about how there is not enough law enforcement personel and they do not have the budget to put more officers on the street yet those said entities constantly put more of their budget towards salaries-bonuses, new sports venues etc etc yet then they turn around and cry.

I'm pretty sure we agree with each other and I say this simply because I do not want you mistaking my words for anything other than 'I agree that something is in need of a major fixin '. It is a very very touchy subject simply for the fact that no decent human, imo, wants to take anything away from a person persueing a better life for them and their family. Yet on the other hand citizens of the US seem to be simply asking that that said goal be persued after going through the proper guidelines and requirements for establishing citizenship.

[myownalias]

Not to mention all the money ploughed into non winnable wars in foreign countries, the US needs to step back and get it's own affairs in order before interfering in other countries matters where it has no place being in my personal opinion; that also goes for my home country too; I'm not US bashing in any way!

[texasmr2]

Not to mention all the money ploughed into non winnable wars in foreign countries, the US needs to step back and get it's own affairs in order before interfering in other countries matters where it has no place being in my personal opinion; that also goes for my home country too; I'm not US bashing in any way!

No poo brother!!!!

[suitcase]

Not to mention all the money ploughed into non winnable wars in foreign countries, the US needs to step back and get it's own affairs in order before interfering in other countries matters where it has no place being in my personal opinion; that also goes for my home country too; I'm not US bashing in any way!

Do you miss living in England?

As for the original topic at hand, one thing that I don't understand is this: I'm trying to see things from another POV... if I lived in, say, Mexico (I am not trying to diss Mexico, just using it as an example since it's near Arizona) and I knew that there were opportunities only a few miles away, then of course I would go to the area of opportunity... but why do it illegally? I'm not trying to offend anyone or sound childish but this is something that I don't quite understand and I'm not going to ask my parents because the whole thing pisses them off.

[darwin dali]

Not to mention all the money ploughed into non winnable wars in foreign countries, the US needs to step back and get it's own affairs in order before interfering in other countries matters where it has no place being in my personal opinion; that also goes for my home country too; I'm not US bashing in any way!

Do you miss living in England?

As for the original topic at hand, one thing that I don't understand is this: I'm trying to see things from another POV... if I lived in, say, Mexico (I am not trying to diss Mexico, just using it as an example since it's near Arizona) and I knew that there were opportunities only a few miles away, then of course I would go to the area of opportunity... but why do it illegally? I'm not trying to offend anyone or sound childish but this is something that I don't quite understand and I'm not going to ask my parents because the whole thing pisses them off.

The problem is that there is no easy way into the US as a guest worker - many of the illegal immigrants would like to be able to go back home between, e.g., harvest seasons (and then eventually go back home for good after they sent enough money home), but can't because they couldn't come back or only illegally. So, they disappear in the underground. Until the US doesn't implement a good, practical guest worker program, this won't change.